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LMV824, How is the output when input is out of Input Commom-Mode Voltage Range?

Dear Specialists,

My customer is considering LMV824 and has a inqury.

Could you please advise?

How is the output when input is out of Input Commom-Mode Voltage Range?
The condition is Voltage follower.

For example, Vcc=5V,Vin=4.5V
(VCM is from -0.3V to 4.3V, therefore 4.5V is out of spec.)

How is the output?

(1) unstable
(2) normal output (4.5V)
(3) causes satulation
(4) other result

Best regards,

Shinichi

  • Hello Sinichi,

    1, 3 & 4..

    The most common "failure"as a follower is that the output stops at the common mode limit (4.5V to 4.8V). The output could also saturate to (either) rail...there are no guarantees.

    Regards,
  • Dear Paul

    Thank you for your reply.

    I'll feedback your answer to the customer.

    I appreciate your great help.

    Best regards,

    Shinichi

  • Dear Paul

    Customer has one more question.

    Could you please advise.

    What is considered about result 4 (other result)?

    If the input is over from common voltage range of positive rail, the result may be only saturated, I thought. 

    Best regards,

    Shinichi

  • Hi Sinichi,

    The output could saturate to either rail, or "float" at the common mode limit point.

    There are many factors that contribute to the results: Temperature, supply voltage, native offset, differential voltage, current into input pin and the actual circuit configuration. Every device family has a different behavior.

    When you violate the input common mode, you cut off the input stage causing it to turn-off. When the input stage dies, all control is lost of the output. Which way the output falls then depends on internal leakages. Once the input stage is cut-off (say, at 4.6V for a 5V supply), going higher makes little difference - as the input stage is already cut-off.

    Going over V+ will cause the upper ESD structure to start to conduct, clamping the input to V+.

    At Vcm > (V+) + 0.5V, the input currents start to become significant (mA's) as the diodes conduct. Series resistance is needed to prevent large currents and/or external clamp diodes should be used.

    Regards,

  • Dear Paul

    Thank you for your reply.

    I'll send your advise to the customer.

    I appreciate your great help.

    Best regards,

    Shinichi