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AMPLIFIER WITH SINGLE POWER SUPPLY

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA350, TINA-TI

Hi,

I need an amplifier able to amplify an ac voltage signal in milli volt (20 mv pp low frequency) .The voltage is from a sensor and the output of the amplifier will be given to an ADC unit of a micro controller.I need an amplifier with single power supply preferably +5v  with high gain for this purpose.Can anyone suggest me the suitable one.

Thanks


  • Bisni,

    Please see the attached zip file containing a power point and TINA files.  It describes two different amplifier topologies that should work for your application.  The basic design method is also given.

    Best regards,

    Art

     ac comp-inv-and-non.zip

     

  • Thank you Art Kay for the reply.

  • Hi Art  Kay,

         Can u suggest what changes I have to done in the circuits when am using 20 mv peak to peak?

    Thank You,

    BISNI

  • For different input levels the only change you need to make is to change the gain.  For the non-inverting configuration, gain is Rf/R1 +1, for the inverting configuration the gain is -Rf/R1.  Where Rf is the feedback resistor and R1 is the resistor connected to the inverting input to the Cap.

    Choose a gain to get the desired output swing.  Vin x Gain = Vout.

  • Thank you so much Art  Kay.

  • I tried your design and I got the output successfully.I need more clarification.The frequency of my signal is very low,approximately
    .318 hertz.So can I use the same design for amplifying the signal by changing the capacitor value C1 n the design?If yes,What will be the value of the capacitor you suggest?


    Thanks & Regards,
    BISNI
  • To decrease the lower cutoff frequency, increase the input capacitance and resistance (see equation below). Also, I recommend looking through the Precision Labs Bandwidth and Slew Rate video series. This covers a lot of important details on amplifier bandwidth limitation that should be helpful to you.

  • Thank you for the reply.Let me try this.
  • I tried the circuit by replacing the capacitor with 47 micro farad and also with 200 micro farad (just to in reduce the lower cut off frequency).But its not giving me the right output.Instead of giving 2V ,its giving around 130 milli volt.By increasing the frequency the amplification is getting more accurate.Can you suggest a solution for this?Is the OPA350 work with this lower frequency?
  • Bisni,
    Your issue has nothing to do with the OPA350. In order to effectively amplify such a low frequency signal you should use an extraordinary RC time constant. On the contrary, your capacitor and resistor values do not follow that requirement. For instance (I assume that you use the "ac coupled-inverting" example that Art provided), with C1=200uF and R2=200 Ohm, the gain drops to g=8 at 0.32Hz. This figure is quite lower than your target (g=100). So you have actually built a high pass filter with a corner frequency fc = 4Hz. This explains why you get so low an output signal (please also account for the capacitor tolerance) at 0.32Hz and accurate gain at much higher frequencies.

    Your options with the "ac coupled-inverting" (which is preferrable to the non-inverting alternative, since it uses only one large capacitance) are the following two:
    a) further increase the capacitance (in the order of 20000uF, not a practical value it seems)
    b) increase R2. E.g., you may use R2=20K, R1=2M, C1= 220u. In that case, you must also increase R3, R4 to about 40k in order to minimize the effect of the input bias current. Needless to say, the resulting circuit will have an extremely long startup time as Art has already noted.

    I suggest you to carefully read the slideshow provided by Art Kay. After understanding the limitations of the ac coupled amplifiers, you may experiment with capacitor and resistor values in TINA, in order to obtain the desirable gain. Please always remember that the theoretical gain at 0.32Hz must be close to 100 (otherwise the gain will be strongly depended on the tolerance, temperature coefficient and the non-linear voltage-capacitance characteristic of the capacitor).
  • Thank you for the detailed reply.So I need to design another circuit for doing this experiment?Art Kay replied by changing the capacitor value ,it will give the expected output, that's why I tried with the same one.
  • Art has attached two alternatives:
    a) the "ac coupled.tsc" circuit
    b) the "ac coupled-inverting.tsc" circuit

    I guess you have built the circuit a. This circuit will work too, however it has the drawback of using two RC time constants (i.e. two capacitors and the associated resistors). One RC is located at the non inverting input (R3//R4 x Cin), the other RC (R2 x C2)is located at the feedback network. Both of these RC time constants affect low frequency gain, thus you need to use a large R x C value for *both* of them.

    If you insist on using this circuit, suggested values that would work for you might be, for instance: R1=1M (990K if gain must be accurately set to 100), R2=10K, C2= 470u, R3=R4=2M, Cin=10u. However, these large resistors may introduce leakage, offset current and noise issues. This (along with the slow startup) is the price to pay for such a very low corner frequency.

    Whicever of the two circuits you finally choos, I would *strongly* suggest you to simulate the circuit in TINA (the zip contains both versions, you wave only to change component values and adjust the simulated frequency range to start at, say, 0.32Hz). This will help you to understand the operating principle. Later on, you may also look for better alternatives like a two-stage approach or, even better, a dc-coupled amplifier.

    Good luck!
  • Thanks for your motivated reply.Is TINA available with out payment?I am using some other simulators now.If you have the link for TINA please post it here.


    Regards,
    BISNI
  • Yes, TINA-TI is available without payment. You can find the free download here. http://www.ti.com/tool/tina-ti
  • ok.Let me try it.Thanks for the reply.
  • Actually I tried the circuit in the power point sent by Art Kay. I am not able to open the circuits in TINA in the Zip folder.I tried to install the software through the link and downloaded the software successfully,but am not able to open the software also.Can anyone suggest a solution for this?
  • If TINA it was successfully downloaded and installed, you could simply double-click on any of Art's .tsc files and it will work. I never had serius issues with TINA-TI. Perhaps you need to re-download it. Of course, you could set up the circuit on your preferred simulator but, in that case you have to make your simulator to understand the OPA350 model.
  • I want to know whether OPA350 series can be operated with dual supply?If no, which dual supply amplifier is suitable for getting unity gain?
  • Hello Bisni,

    Yes, the OPA350 may use dual supplies. Since the single-supply range is 2.7 V to 5.5 V, the dual supply range is +/-1.35 V to +/- 2.75 V. Simply connect the output of the OPA350 back to the inverting input and it will be in unity gain (+1 V/V). Drive the non-inverting input with the input signal source but make sure there is a dc input bias current return through it, or a resistor connected to ground.

    Regards, Thomas

    PA - Linear Applicaitons Engineering