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Lock-in Amplifier

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TL441, TL592

I am working on a project. The signal detected needs to be amplified by a lock-in amplifier. I want to know if there is an existing solution or already-made package/chip produced by TI. Any help I will very appreciate.

  • Jundong

    I'm not sure what you mean by "lock-in" amplifier. Perhaps you mean a sample-hold?
    What sort of input signal are you detecting (amplitude/frequency)? What kind of load/circuit are you driving on the output?
    Do you have a tentative schematic?

    Regards
    Dennis
  • Hi Jundong,
    I don't believe we have a single chip solution for a lock-in amplifier. I have seen some projects using a log amplifier (such as the TL441), along with an analog multiplier and an op amp to implement a lock in amplifier. It should also be possible to implement the lock in amplifier with a DSP.

    If size is not a concern, an existing lock in amplifier instrument such as the Stanford Research Systems SR810 and SR830 may be a good choice. Though they're likely to cost more than a DIY lock-in amplifier, it's likely they'll achieve better performance as well.
  • Hi Jundong,

    if the demands on dynamic range and lock-in chopping frequency are not too high, a lock-in amplifier can be fabricated by a very simple circuit with two electronic switches and an inverting OPAmp. Would this be enough?

    Kai
  •  Dennis,

    Thank you for taking care of my question.

    We use a lock-in amplifier to extract a signal with a known carrier wave from an extremely noisy environment. The input is from an antenna which is a kind of detector. We expect the output after passing through the lock-in amplifier can be used as an input of Arduino. I have attached a schematic.

    The chip (IC3) with 16 PIN is TL441. The chip (IC1) with 8 PIN is TL592, and the one (IC2) with 14 PIN is AD734.

    At the bottom of the board are three BNC connectors. "signal rec" means the signal from the receiver. "rf gen" means the signal from the radio frequency generator. "transs antenna" means the connector to the transmission antenna.

    I have populated the board, but the problem is that the signal from the output of the lock-in amplifier mainly is DC, e.g. 4.78V (AC+DC), 0.04 (AC).

    Thank you. I will appreciate any help!

    Jundong

  • Alex,

    Thank you for answering my question. I have tried TL 441, which is not working for me. I have attached a schematic in the same question thread when replying Dennis, and explained the issue we have.

    I will very appreciate any help!
    Jundong
  • Hi Jundong,

    A layout, as provided, is much less useful than the original schematic would have been. While it took some time, I was able to create the following schematic based off your layout, but component values for resistors and capacitors were not available. If you could provide these, this would help us better analyze your design.  

    Could you provide oscilloscope images of the signals present at IC3 pin 4, IC3 pin 5, IC3 pin 6, and IC1 pin 4? This would help us troubleshoot what the problem may be. An AC voltmeter reading will not work for these measurements. If it's not clear in the oscilloscope image, please also provide DC levels at each of these nodes.

    I'd recommend redoing your PCB layout. While it may work at low frequencies, I would not expect good performance above a few MHz at most. A solid ground plane on the bottom layer, combined with shorter, more direct connections between components will significantly improve your circuit's performance, and reduce PCB size (and cost). In particular, your traces between R1/R3/IC1 pin 1 and R2/R4/IC1 pin 5 should be kept as short as possible to avoid stability issues. 

    As drawn right now, your layout places decoupling capacitors C1-C4 far away from any of the active components. Combined with the long trace lengths, this may cause unpredictable behavior or degraded performance. Decoupling capacitors should always be placed as close as possible to each active device, with dedicated capacitors for each active device. 

  • Hi Jundong

    We haven't heard back from you so we assume this resolved your issue. If not, post a reply below, or create a new thread if this one has timed-out.

    Thanks
    Dennis
  • Alex,

    My problem is not resolved yet. But I very appreciate your help.
  • Hi Jundong,

    We are still waiting for your answers to the questions asked in my post above. Without further information, we will have to close this thread out.