This thread has been locked.

If you have a related question, please click the "Ask a related question" button in the top right corner. The newly created question will be automatically linked to this question.

DDC112 channel1 integrator A and B drifting apart

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DDC112

Yesterday I came accross some very stange behaviour of a DDC112UK.

Dumping the DDC data retrieved showed the following:

(Integration time for both sides 50ms +/- 10ppm, continuous mode, DDC set to range 1)

Format:

Ch1A, Ch2A
Ch1B, Ch2B

...., ....
3782, 3636
3532, 3645
3420, 3612
3942, 3636
3162, 3613
4105, 3654
3042, 3627
4210, 3634
2888, 3638
4499, 3657
2664, 3627
4672, 3649
2376, 3620
4905, 3642
2179, 3616
5172, 3650
1988, 3604
5235, 3657
1858, 3590
5394, 3670
1782, 3624
5588, 3674
1619, 3580
5603, 3661
1539, 3618
5876, 3656
1031, 3580
6053, 3678
1288, 3631
6084, 3652
 895, 3593
6219, 3670
 873, 3609
6405, 3666
 577, 3578
6656, 3685
 439, 3608
6810, 3647
 279, 3598
6925, 3676
 140, 3609
7199, 3679
    0, 3571
7341, 3686
    0, 3615
7496, 3664
    0, 3569
7636, 3690
    0, 3602
7894, 3691
    0, 3558
8014, 3681
    0, 3612
8222, 3678
    0, 3594
7275, 3702
  56, 3564
7059, 3662
  74, 3621
7096, 3658
 111, 3621
7068, 3651
 224, 3612
6950, 3659
 338, 3623
6821, 3632

If channel 1 sides A and B are added, the total seem to be correct.

However it is strange to see that for channel 1 one side is decreasing to 0 wile the other side doubles and that at the same time side A and side B of channel 2 do not change.

 

Any idea what could be the cause?

 

 

 

  • To add to the above, this only occurs in DDC range 1 (12.5pF)
    range 2 (25pF) and range 7 (50+25+12.5pF) do not show this effect.
  • Hello Dries,

    We have received your inquiry regarding the DDC112 device.
    I have assigned your post to the device applications expert.
    He will get back to you as soon as possible.
  • Dries,

    Is this behavior observed on the DDC112 EVM board or on your own board? Is this same behavior seen when you put the device in test mode? Putting the DDC112 into test mode by tying TEST high will disconnect IN1 and IN2 from the external world and inject the same 13pC charge into both inputs on each CONV cycle, this would help us rule out issues coming from external sources. 

    Regards,

    -Adam

  • Hi Adam,

    This behaviour is observed on our own board. But, as the drift is between side A and B of channel 1, I do not see how the board would be of influence on this effect. Please elaborate if there are layout considerations that might cause this effect.

    Setting the DDC112 into test mode the following data is send by the DDC:

    (Integration time for both sides 50ms +/- 10ppm, DDC in test mode, DDC set to range 1)

    Format:
    Ch1A, Ch2A
    Ch1B, Ch2B

    ............, ...........
    293239, 293253
    288878, 288985
    293246, 293261
    288876, 288989
    293238, 293257
    288881, 288978
    293241, 293267
    288875, 288967
    293237, 293253
    288882, 288982
    293246, 293250
    288876, 288972
    293246, 293258
    288866, 288980
    293234, 293255
    288877, 288963
    293252, 293246
    288874, 288968
    293239, 293259
    288868, 288975
    293238, 293263
    288873, 288978
    293251, 293254
    288875, 288969
    293245, 293244
    288884, 288980

    No drift is observed, only a difference between side A and B of both channels. I assume this is caused by the switching arrangement as described in the apllication bulletin 'The DDC112's Test Mode'?

    "Due to the nature of the switching arrangement, there is a small imbalance in the charge injection between sides A and B
    during test mode. This imbalance results in slightly different effective sizes for the side A and B test packets."


    Could it be that some charge is transfered from the capacitor of side A to the capacitor of side B when in normal operating mode?
    Causing a higher side B integration result at the expense of the side A integration result?

    Regards,

    Dries
  • Dries,

    The A-side B-side difference is probably as you said caused by the charge difference or by the A/B side matching as mentioned in the datasheet. As for the layout question, do you have switching signals near the input traces that could couple in? Are you able to average side A and B to help reduce the effect in your data?

    Regards,
    -Adam
  • Hi Adam,

    Thank you for you reply

    Concerning the input traces and coupling:

    The input traces are short and completely surrounded by a ground plane that is not used for other signals.

    All switching signals are routed from the DDC112 at the far side from the input pins on the bottom of the printed circuit board:

    Concerning averaging:

    As we are measuring the lowest possible charge transfers, therefor our integration time is quite long.

    Averaging both sides and only unsing the result will increase the response time to much.

    It would be great to find the cause of this effect to try to eliminate it instead of providing filtering.

    Regards,

    Dries

  • Hi Dries,

    We are asking folks internally to see if we can come up with an explanation. Will let you know as soon as we hear something...

    Regards,

    Edu