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Avoiding IIR instability in DAC

  • uric
    Posted by uric
    on Feb 12 2009 16:38 PM
    Prodigy30 points

    We use 16bit 16ksps CODECs and have some problem when our central DSP inserts a "zero-signal" when squelching an audio input that have no sufficiant audio energy: that squelch is randomly causing our DAC to produce self oscillations in frequencies higher then the 16khz sampling of our system. We think it is the IIR instability for no-signal at the DAC, as the DAC has decimating post filter that may not designed to handle sero-signal conditions. Do anybody knows a work-around for this fenomenom, or a better CODEC DAC that is better behaved in this situation? Is gradual squelch helps? Is a "non-audio" tone injection may help?

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  • D. Hartl
    Posted by D. Hartl
    on Feb 17 2009 17:59 PM
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    What you experience is most likely the idle tone problem that is inherent to basic delta-sigma DACs. It is produced by the modulator for DC and very low frequency input data. TI has high performance delta sigma DACs that address this problem and have reduced or no idle tones.

    Please take a look at the PCM17xx family or the PCM4104.

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  • uric
    Posted by uric
    on Mar 01 2009 17:30 PM
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    Can this sensitivity to low-frequency input can cause a persistant self-oscillations of 16 khz & up while the digital input to the DAC is hel at zero TDM?

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  • D. Hartl
    Posted by D. Hartl
    on Mar 04 2009 12:35 PM
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    Yes. Idle tone (digital input held at 0) can (and will) produce self-oscillations (in your case at 16kHz+) in sigma-delta DACs that don't have an idle-tone reduction mechanism (like internal dithering, which essentially always presents a non-DC signal to the DAC internally).

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  • uric
    Posted by uric
    on Mar 05 2009 15:34 PM
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    Thanks. Can you recommend some codcs that do not have this instability?

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  • D. Hartl
    Posted by D. Hartl
    on Mar 05 2009 17:31 PM
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    The PCM17xx family and the PCM4104 are examples that don't have this problem with idle tones.

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