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About analog Differential input range of adc12d500rf?

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guoping Lee
Posted by guoping Lee
on Mar 20 2012 08:21 AM
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Hi everyone,The datasheet said the max of analog differential input range of adc500rf is 1000mv? but  the Operating Rating of adc12d500rf said

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what's this meaning?what does 20% duty cycle mean?

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  • Marjorie Plisch
    Posted by Marjorie Plisch
    on Mar 20 2012 12:13 PM
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    Hi Guoping,

    This table is from the Operating Ratings in the datasheet.  In order to understand these ratings more, it is helpful to look at Note 15:

    For d.c.-coupled applications, the input voltage which may be safely applied to the part are listed in the above ratings.  The 'life-time duty-cycle' refers to the percent time which the part may have a particular voltage applied, as a percentage of its total life time.  For example, for a scope application, the signal will be d.c. coupled to the ADC.  If the probe were left on a 2.8V source over the weekend (2 days), this would be allowable, as long as it were left off for 18 days, in the sense that it would not reduce the life time of the part.  To be explicit, 2 days / 20 days is the 10% duty-cycle.  The issue which this operating rating addresses is electromigration.

    Let us know if you have further questions.

     

    Kind regards,

    Marjorie

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • guoping Lee
    Posted by guoping Lee
    on Mar 20 2012 20:57 PM
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    Marjorie

    thanks for your answer.

    As the datasheet said the analog differential input full scale range of adc12d500rf is 1000mv.but this range is too small for my project. can we use the resistance to attenuate the signal which is input to the ADC.for adc12d500rf,the figure is below.

    for SMA interface ,the differential input full scale range is 2000mv?Am i right? 

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  • Marjorie Plisch
    Posted by Marjorie Plisch
    on Mar 21 2012 11:35 AM
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    Hi Guoping,

    Yes, you are correct.  The differential input termination resistance of the ADC at VIN_I+/- is 100 ohm.  This, in parallel with R2 and R4 (series 100 ohm) will attenuate the voltage which appears at the ADC inputs by 2x.  What is the frequency range of your input signal? 

    Let us know if you have further questions.

     

    Kind regards,

    Marjorie

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  • guoping Lee
    Posted by guoping Lee
    on Mar 22 2012 03:01 AM
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    Marjorie

    thank you for your patient answer.

    The frequency of input signal is about 70K.  the trace to each VinI+ and VinI- should always be 50Ω single-ended.does that mean R1 and R3 should always be 50Ω?and if I want to enlarge the differential input full scale range to 3000mv.then R1=R3=50Ω,R2=R4=25Ω?

     

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    Posted by Marjorie Plisch
    on Mar 22 2012 18:28 PM
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    Hi Guoping,

    You are most welcome. 

    What is the source impedance?  Please specify single-ended or differential.

     

    Kind regards,
    Marjorie

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    Posted by guoping Lee
    on Mar 22 2012 20:58 PM
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    Hi Marjorie,

    The input impedance for each I- and Q-input is 100Ω differential (or 50Ω single-ended),so the trace to each VinI+,VinI-,VinQ+,VinQ- should always be 50Ω single-ended.there is a 100Ω differential source is driving the ADC in my project.so the value of R1 R2 R3 R4 should always  be 50Ω?or if I want to enlarge the analog differential input full scale range to 3000mv.How to decide the value of R1 R2 R3 R4?

    -guoping

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  • Marjorie Plisch
    Posted by Marjorie Plisch
    on Mar 23 2012 11:07 AM
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    Hi Guoping,

    Yes, that is correct - the Vin+/- input impedance is 100 ohm differential.  What is the impedance of the source with which you are driving the network?

    Kind regards,

    Marjorie

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    Posted by guoping Lee
    on Mar 24 2012 00:41 AM
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    Hi Marjorie

    there is a 100Ω differential source is driving the ADC in my project.

     

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  • Marjorie Plisch
    Posted by Marjorie Plisch
    on Mar 28 2012 19:25 PM
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    Hi Guoping,

     

    A better way to achieve some attenuation of the input signal would be to use an in-line attenuator.  For example, from your schematic, remove R2 and R4.  In place of R1 and R3, use an attenuator.  For an example part, see this one:

     

    http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/EXB-24AT5AR3X/P11107TR-ND/307333

     

    Category

    RF/IF and RFID

    Family

    Attenuators

    Series

    -

    Attenuation Value

    5dB

    Tolerance

    ±0.3%

    Frequency Range

    0 ~ 3GHz

    Power (Watts)

    40mW

    Impedance

    50 Ohm

    Package / Case

    0404

     

    For your application, the attenuation should be 10*log(3000/1000) = 4.77dB, which is close to 5dB. 

     

    Let me know if you have any further questions.

     

     

    Kind regards,

    Marjorie

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  • guoping Lee
    Posted by guoping Lee
    on Mar 28 2012 22:10 PM
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    Hi Marjorie

    Thank you so much for the reply.

    Do you mean the connecting will be like this in AC coupled mode ?

    Guoping

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  • Marjorie Plisch
    Posted by Marjorie Plisch
    on Mar 29 2012 11:51 AM
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    Hi Guoping,

    Yes, your schematic drawing is correct.  I noticed that there are other values of attenuation which fit this footprint, so you could change the design when you are debugging your system, if you need to conveniently.  Is the maximum level to the input of the SMA connectors in your system well-defined?  I'm checking to see whether you need attenuation (in the case that the maximum input is well-defined) or an RF-limiter in the case that it is not. 

    Are you using the Gig ADC Reference Board to evaluate with your system?  When you build your own, I recommend that you place (1) attenuator, (2) balun, and (3) AC-coupling caps.

    Kind regards,

    Marjorie

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    Posted by guoping Lee
    on Mar 29 2012 22:17 PM
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    Hi Marjorie,

    thanks a lot.

    Guoping

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