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CD40109B: Suitable for 3.3V? / Behaviour in power-down state

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Burkhard Kaas
Posted by Burkhard Kaas
on Jul 08 2012 01:57 AM
Prodigy30 points

Good Day All,

we investigate use of the CD40109B for level-shifting between 15V CMOS and 3.3V LVCMOS (low->high and high->low). A few questions:

  • The datasheet only specifies DC characteristics for 5V. Are there electrical characteristics available for 3.3V supply (V-CC / V-DD)?
  • What is the output behaviour with V-CC < 3.0V ?
  • What is the output behaviour with V-DD < 3.0V ?
  • A better choice for this application around ?

Thanks & Regards,

Burkhard

Level Shifter
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  • Chris Cockrill
    Posted by Chris Cockrill
    on Jul 09 2012 09:52 AM
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    We do not have any data at 3.3V. The propagation delays in this range would be very large.

     I dont have any other solution for 3.3V to 15V.

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  • Burkhard Kaas
    Posted by Burkhard Kaas
    on Jul 24 2012 08:12 AM
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    We didn't find a 3.3V <--> 15V solution so we might have to go 3.3/5/15V if the CD40109B is not suitable.

    Any information about power-down behaviour of the CD40109B?

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  • Chris Cockrill
    Posted by Chris Cockrill
    on Jul 24 2012 09:26 AM
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    You cannot have a voltage on the inputs or outputs if  the power rails are at 0V unless you limit the current to less than 10ma. There clamp diodes to gnd and the rails.

     

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  • Burkhard Kaas
    Posted by Burkhard Kaas
    on Jul 24 2012 09:42 AM
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    What we have to understand is the high-Z state of the output side during power-down of the input side.

    Some background on the application:

    On side (A) is a FPGA with 3.3V LVCMOS with one supply system (3.3V & 5V). We can level-shift the FPGA to 5V CMOS.

    On side (B) is a proprietary industrial bus using 15V CMOS logic with separate supply system.

    When side (A) goes down we have to ensure that I/O on (B) are high-Z, so the bus is not disturbed

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  • Chris Cockrill
    Posted by Chris Cockrill
    on Jul 25 2012 13:41 PM
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    The notes on the first page of the datasheet under applications seems to indicate that if either side goes down it will be Isolated.

    That is all I have to go by. SInce this is a part that was purchased from Harris I have no other data to look through.

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