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DP83848I: About usage conditions

Part Number: DP83848I
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: DP83849I

Hello to whom it may concern,

 

Our customer is considering to use DP83849I for industrial network(EtherNet/IP、PROFINETEtherCAT).

They has two question about DP83849I.

Could you please answer?

 

Q1, If they use only port A,do you have any document to how to use?

    When they didn't use port B, they would like to know if there are important points.

 

Q2, Can DP83849I use for industrial network(EtherNet/IP、PROFINETEtherCAT)?

 

Best regards,

Gk110

  • Hi Gk110,

    Q1. If port B is not disabled, then the DP83849I will behave as expected.  IF you route the MII port B to PHY port A, then PHY port B cannot be shut down without disabling MII port B.

    Q2.  Yes, DP83849I can be used for industrial networks.  All the information about using the DP83849I for industrial networks is contained in the datasheet or the design guides for the industrial network.  For example, using EtherCAT with DP83849 is described in the EtherCAT PHY Requirements guideline.  There are some notes in there that should be followed, including placing a pull-up or pull-down resistor on XI pins.

    Best Regards,

  • Hi Rob-san

    Thanks for quick reply.
    And I'm sorry to be late replying.

    Answer of Q1 was desolved.
    However I have additional question about Q2's answer.

    > For example, using EtherCAT with DP83849 is described in the EtherCAT PHY Requirements guideline.
    >There are some notes in there that should be followed, including placing a pull-up or pull-down resistor on XI pins.

    Does the above answer refer to what is listed on the following site?

    download.beckhoff.com/.../an_phy_selection_guidev2.3.pdf

    If it is right,Like EtherCat, do each standared have guidelinesd for each company's PHY?

    Best regards,

    Gk110
  • Hi Gk110,

    Yes, the PHY selection guide is what I was referring to.

    The latest version of the Beckhoff PHY selection guide is v2.6. You can find it here: download.beckhoff.com/.../an_phy_selection_guidev2.6.pdf

    Check table 4 for information on using DP83849 in EtherCAT.

    Unfortunately, other industrial field buses do not give such detailed information about the PHY layer.

    Best Regards,
  • Hello Rob-san

    Thanks for your quick reply.

    > Unfortunately, other industrial field buses do not give such detailed information about the PHY layer.

    If customer is going to use DP83849 for any other industrial field buses,how should they carefully design?

    Do you have any information(or document) for design of industrial field buses?

    Best regards,

    Gk110

  • Hi Gk110,

    If you are designing for other fieldbuses, I would recommend following TI's reference designs. www.ti.com/.../industrial-communications.html

    If there are special requirements for the PHY when using other Ethernet enabled processors, you will have to consult the maker of the processor you are using.

    Best Regards,
  • Hi Rob,

    I'm also working on this with Gk110 and I have one more question about "weak internal pull-down resistor" of PHYADx.

    This question is coming from not DP83848 but DP83849I.

    could you let me know the value of "internal weak pull-down resistor" since PHYADx connects to external components and it has internal pull-up resistor so they have to care about it.

    Thanks,

    Regards,

    Kai

  • Hi Kai,

    The range of values of the internal pulls for the DP83849 is 18k - 40k, with a mean of 29k. If you have the influence of an external resistor, I'd suggest placing a strong resistor to the value you need. In that case, an external strong pull should not exceed 1.5k

    Best Regards,
  • Hi Rob,

    DP83849 internal pull-down resistor will influence external internal pull-up resistor and it will create mid-voltage for less than 10sec.

    Question here is if the mid-voltage meets datasheet abso spec (DC input voltage: -0.5 to VCC+0.5), there is no risk to get damage?

    BTW, regarding below your comment, I couldn't clearly understand...

    " If you have the influence of an external resistor, I'd suggest placing a strong resistor to the value you need. In that case, an external strong pull should not exceed 1.5k".

    you commented "placing a strong resistor" but you mentioned "pull(maybe this pull means external pull-up resistor) should not exceed 1.5k".

    I'm confusing strong but not exceed...

    my understanding for your comment is below figure.

    Regards,

    Kai

  • Hello Rob-san

    I received one more question about to use for EtherCAT.

    In the PHY Selection Guide of BECKOFF, it was written that "X1 must not be floating, add 2.2KΩ pull-down if necessary."
    I think that is X1 is connected to CRYSTAL or OSCILLATOR.
    Therefore I don't think that the X1 is floating.

    Do you know what case does float the X1?

    Thanks and best regards,

    Gk110
  • Hi Kai,

    In the configuration you have shown, I mean that your resistor should be 2.2k - 1.5k. The value should not be less than 1.5k for the external strap resistors.

    Best Regards,
  • Hi Gk,

    During intialization of the EtherCAT controller, there is a time that the oscillator input to the DP83849, X1, will not be driven by the EtherCAT controller. This can cause the DP83849 to interfere with the EtherCAT controller intialization.

    The solution is to put a pull-down on the X1 pin to ensure the X1 pin does not float during EtherCAT controller setup.

    Best Regards,