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TCAN1042-Q1: About propagation delay time

Part Number: TCAN1042-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: SN65HVDA1040A-Q1

Hello Team,

Please tell me the Max/Min value of the following values.
※In the SN65HVDA1040A-Q1 there was a description of Max/Min value.

 ・tpHR
 ・tpLD
 ・tpRH
 ・tpDL

Best regards,
Kato

  • Hello Kato-san,

    Note that the TCAN1042 datasheet specifies maximum values on the total loop delay, which includes both contributions from the driver (tpHR, tpLD) and the receiver (tpRH, tpDL).  For your reference, though, I can let you know the minimum and maximum values we measured for the individual delays when characterizing the performance of these devices:

    Driver

     

    Min

    Max

    tpHR

    69.3ns

    82.0ns

    tpLD

    46.1ns

    58.4ns

    Receiver

     

    Min

    Max

    tpRH

    40.2ns

    70.2ns

    tpDL

    48.1ns

    70.5ns

    Most of the variation was observed to be due to temperature.  Within a given set of operating conditions, these delays were similar from unit to unit (typical standard deviations of about 0.5 ns).

    Please let me know if you have any further questions.

    Max

  • Hello Max-san,

    Please tell me the following conditions of the measurement data.

     ・lot number
     ・n number(number of samples)
     ・temperature condition
     ・voltage condition
     ・standard deviation (σ)

    Also, SN65HVDA1040A-Q1 describes MIN/MAX in the data sheet, but what is the reason why TCAN1042 describes only TYP?

    Best regards,
    Kato
  • Kato-san,

    This data was based off of three different lots, each consisting of 40 units. The ambient temperature was varied from -55 C to +125 C, and the voltage was varied from 4.5 V to 5.5 V. The standard deviation was similar for each parameter and was found to be about 0.5 ns.

    I'm unfortunately not sure why the existing datasheet does not publish minimum/maximum values for this parameter. I believe it may be because the loop time specification was considered a superset of these timing values (since the loop time includes the propagation delays and rise/fall times of both the transmit and receiver signal paths, and this is typically what needs to be used in analyzing the timing of a CAN bus).

    Regards,
    Max
  • Hello Max-san,

    Thank you very much always for your support.

    Best regards,
    Kato