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TXB0104: OE ramp voltage

Part Number: TXB0104
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: SN74LVC1G17

Hi all

Would you mind if we ask TXB0104?

Our cusutomer will use TXB0104 following condition;

<Condition>
-VccA : 3.3V
-OE pin : 3.3V -> 10kohm with 10uF(RC constant)

So, our customer would like to operate TXB0104 with the rise time constant.
If you have some prohibited matter for rising time, could you let us know?

Kind regards,

Hirotaka Matsumoto

  • Hello Matsumoto-san,

    If my understanding is correct, then they would like to keep the outputs disabled for a short time on startup, after which it will always be enabled.

    This is a common application, but it is not a good idea to have slow rising inputs into a CMOS input, which the OE pin is. 

    We would recommend putting a single schmitt trigger device connected at the input to ensure that there is a sharp edge at the OE pin after some time.

    I would recommend looking at the SN74LVC1G17 device.

     

    Best,
    Michael

  • Hi Michael san

    Thank you for your reply!

    they would like to keep the outputs disabled for a short time on startup, after which it will always be enabled.
    ->Yes, your recognition is correct.

    We are sorry that we could not understand your mention.
    Could you let us know follows?

    <Question1>
    This is a common application, but it is not a good idea to have slow rising inputs into a CMOS input, which the OE pin is.
    ->Is there regulation for OE's rising time?
       Could you let us know "it is not a good idea to have slow rising inputs into a CMOS input"?

    <Question2>
    We would recommend putting a single schmitt trigger device connected at the input to ensure that there is a sharp edge at the OE pin after some time.
    ->Does it mean a single schmitt trigger device(like as SN74LVC1G17) connected to A1 to A4 of TXB0104? or TXB0104's OE pin?

    We need your help.

    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto

  • Hello Matsumoto-san,

    Please see my response below.

    <Question1>
    This is a common application, but it is not a good idea to have slow rising inputs into a CMOS input, which the OE pin is.
    ->Is there regulation for OE's rising time?
       Could you let us know "it is not a good idea to have slow rising inputs into a CMOS input"?

    Generally non-Schmitt trigger CMOS inputs require a sharp edge to prevent oscillations/increased current consumption. Generally this is specified by a delta(t)/delta(V) in the datasheet and it usually is 20ns/V or 100ns/V. For this part there is a transition rate specification for the A and B, but not the OE input. I would follow the same rise time recommendation on the OE input as the A and B ports of 40ns/V. An RC curve will not meet this specification, so a schmitt trigger buffer device is required to clean up the signal to make a sharp edge.


    <Question2>
    We would recommend putting a single schmitt trigger device connected at the input to ensure that there is a sharp edge at the OE pin after some time.
    ->Does it mean a single schmitt trigger device(like as SN74LVC1G17) connected to A1 to A4 of TXB0104? or TXB0104's OE pin?

    No need for the schmitt trigger to the A and B ports of the device. This just applies to the OE pin since you have an RC circuit that will cause a slow rising input into only the OE pin. This schmitt trigger buffer will only be required for the OE pin. 

    Best,
    Michael

  • Michael san

    Thank you very much for your reply!

    OK, we got it.

    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto