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    Series resistor with spy-bi-wire

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    Armando Barbedo
    Posted by Armando Barbedo
    on May 04 2012 09:02 AM
    Prodigy240 points

    Can I add series resistors to the two spy-bi-wire lines SBWTDIO and SBWTCK so to improve ESD protection? If so, what would be the maximum value before it interferes with the programming? What document contains that kind of information?

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    • Jens-Michael Gross
      Posted by Jens-Michael Gross
      on May 04 2012 09:51 AM
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      A series resistor between SBWTCk and RST would increase the negative (low-pass) effect of an attached startup capacitor.
      However, the FET may already have a series resistor on its output, to prevent FET damage by a damaged target.

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    • Armando Barbedo
      Posted by Armando Barbedo
      on May 06 2012 19:52 PM
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      My intent is not to protect the programmer, but the target. I do not want to expose JTAG pins without any protection against transients. The question is: how big of a SERIES resistor can I use without compromising programming and debugging.

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    • Jens-Michael Gross
      Posted by Jens-Michael Gross
      on May 07 2012 13:57 PM
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      Armando Barbedo
      I do not want to expose JTAG pins without any protection against transients.

      Yes, I understand. But I don't have an answer for you, It depends on capacitance behind the resistor.
      JTAG uses a signal frequency in the MHz range. So even 1k can make a difference.
      I really connot give you an advice here. But I never burnt a JTAG port by ESD/transients over the last years. And we had a lot of field updates in industrial environments.
      All MSP port pins have internal clamp diodes with a rated maximum current of 2mA. There must be really fast transients to get past them. Or high energy to overload them.

      The only series transistors I ever applied to MSP pins were to protect the input pins from overcurrent caused by accidental (or sometimes even intentional) 5V signal input.

      However, if you want to make own experiments (just put a resistor there and then try how big it can be without disturbing JTAG/SBW) you can paste your results here. (and it will probably give faster results than waiting for an answer here) :)

      Hint: if you found the value big enough to stop JTAG, then use at max 1/2 of it, just to be on the safe side.

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    • Lenio Cacula
      Posted by Lenio Cacula
      on May 29 2012 14:31 PM
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      Hi, Armando,

      SBWTDIO/RESET should be <22 Ω and the SBWTCK/TEST should be <100Ω. The programmer already has some resistance in series and the combination of resistance in the board would prevent reliable operation.

       


       

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    • old_cow_yellow
      Posted by old_cow_yellow
      on May 29 2012 18:38 PM
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      It also depends on what are on the "tool" side of those two signal lines. On the Launchpad, TI is using the MSP430F1611 GPIO pins directly (without any resistor). In rev 1.4 and earlier, they also had a 2nF on the SBTDIO/RSET signal. The SBW works but without much margin. In rev 1.5, TI decided not to load that 2 nF. SBW is still marginal.

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