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boon seong thng
Posted by boon seong thng
on Apr 05 2012 23:52 PM
Prodigy70 points

Hi,

I am currently doing a project where I’m developing a LiFePO4 battery charger to charge 4 of these cells in series. I am using the bq2954 IC and the circuit that I have implemented is found in the “Using BQ2954” application notes as follows:

http://www.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?literatureNumber=slua447&fileType=pdf

The calculations for the above circuit are done using the formulas in the “bq2954 Datasheet” as follows:

http://www.google.com.sg/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=bq2954%20datahee&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.datasheetcatalog.org%2Fdatasheet%2Ftexasinstruments%2Fbq2954.pdf&ei=mnl9T7r2N8HnrAfqmZXbDA&usg=AFQjCNEB4Ghk6zUa22q0_-PRIg0StpQJ6g&cad=rja

As can be seen from the ‘datasheet’ of the bq2954 IC, the Charge Current (Icharge), to charge the battery pack (4 cells in series, in this case), is determined by the Rsns (Current Sense Resistor). Thus, using the formula “Rsns = Vsns/Icharge” which comes to “Rsns = 0.25V/Icharge”, I set my charging current (Icharge) as 5A, so the Rsns value comes to 50 mohms.

However, the problem that I am facing is that even with this value of Rsns, I cannot get my Icharge as 5A. It is only showing as arnd 200mA, which causes the charging to take place, but very slowly.

Could someone please help me out? How can I solve this problem and increase my Charge Current (Icharge) ?

Thanks a lot! :]

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  • Charles Mauney
    Posted by Charles Mauney
    on Apr 09 2012 11:22 AM
    Mastermind25035 points

    I need more information and maybe some waveforms of each pin of the IC.

    Is the input voltage at least 18VDC?

    Is the battery at least 12.4V?  If below ~12V the charger will be in precharge and one gets 1/10 the current.

     

    I would suggest using a newer IC, like the bq24600 or '610.

     

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  • boon seong thng
    Posted by boon seong thng
    on Apr 10 2012 08:15 AM
    Prodigy70 points

    Hi Charles,

    Thanks a lot for your reply.  As you have requested, the following is the info to add on to what I provided earlier.

    1) We are connecting 4 cells in series, total battery pack voltage for the 4 cells is arnd 13.2V (arnd 3.3V per cell).

    2) The Vin we are providing is 17V. We have observed that providing anything more than this 17V for 4 cells in series, causes the bq2954 IC to show fault condition.

    3) The reason we can't use a new IC as you suggested is because, this is our Final Year Project, and it ends this month by the end of April. Thus we do not have enough time on our hand to implement a new circuit. So, since we have been researching and working on this bq2954 IC, we have almost got everything correct except this charging current. Thus,we hope to identify and rectify the problem with this IC itself, given the lack of time.

    Some more info on our circuit when its charging the cells:

    • Our bq2954 charger circuit is working on mode 3 (as set by the DSEL pin)
    • Our Iterm pin has been left floating, which sets Ifull as (Imax/15) and Imin as (Imax/20)
    • When our battery is connected and the circuit is switched on the following is our LED statuses:

    LED 1: ON

    LED 2: OFF

    CHG pin LED: OFF

    BTST pin LED: OFF

    • And when our switched on but the battery is not connected, the following is our LED statuses:

    LED 1: OFF

    LED 2: OFF

    CHG pin LED: ON

    BTST pin LED: ON

    • When we supply the 17V input for the 7cells series, the current meter shows only around 120 to 130mA.

    I shall be posting the waveforms at the different pins of our IC by tmr morning. Till then, thanks a lot for your help and advice. Looking forward to hearing from you.

    PS: Do let me know if you would like any other info abt our circuit.

    battery charging battery Charger BQ2954 Charging Li-Ion battery charger Battery Chargers battery management LiFePO4 li ion battery charger
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  • Charles Mauney
    Posted by Charles Mauney
    on Apr 10 2012 14:40 PM
    Mastermind25035 points

    the LEDs seem normal except for the BTST..does ON mean high or low?

    Battery test output: Driven high in the absence of a battery in order to provide a potential at the battery terminal when no battery is present.

    You indicate initially 4 cells and then 7 cells, which is it and what chemistry?

    If you are getting 120 t 130mA and expecting 5A I think you have something seriously wrong.  What is the voltage across the sense resistor?

    is your battery return floating with respect to ground.

    Do you have a schematic?

     

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  • boon seong thng
    Posted by boon seong thng
    on Apr 10 2012 23:02 PM
    Prodigy70 points

    For the LEDS,

    1) BTST led on means: BTST pin from the IC is high.

        CHG led on means: CHG pin from the IC is low.

    2) I'm sorry, that was a mistake, it is 4 LiFePO4 cells in series.

    3) The voltage across our current sense resistor (0.05ohms) is 12.5mV. The datasheet of our current sense resistor is as follows:

    8407.50mohm Resistor.pdf

    4) the battery return means the feedback from the voltage divider circuit right? the one that connects to BAT pin on the IC? It has been connected, it is not floating.

    5) The following is the schematic of our circuit:

    Thanks a lot. Do let me know if u need any other info.

    battery charging battery monitor battery Charger BQ2954 Charging Li-Ion Battery Chargers Charge Current battery management LiFePO4 li ion battery charger
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  • boon seong thng
    Posted by boon seong thng
    on Apr 11 2012 00:07 AM
    Prodigy70 points

    The following are the waveforms at the various IC pins of bq2954 and the power mosfet Q5 in our circuit (All waveforms taken CH2 on oscilloscope):

    MOD waveform at pin 14 of IC:

    TS waveform at pin 8 of IC:

    SNS waveform at pin 7 of IC:

    BAT waveform at pin 3 of IC:

    Waveform at Drain pin of Q5 power mosfet:

    Waveform at Gate pin of Q5 power mosfet:

    Thanks. Do let me know if u need waveforms at other pins of the IC bq2954.

    battery charging battery monitor battery Charger BQ2954 Charging Li-Ion battery charger Battery Chargers Charge Current battery management LiFePO4 li ion battery charger
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  • boon seong thng
    Posted by boon seong thng
    on Apr 11 2012 21:09 PM
    Prodigy70 points

    Hi Charles,

    Any updates based on my circuit schematic and the waveforms I posted?

    PS: We are using a breadboard to test our charger circuit, specifications for which are as follows:

    breadboard project gl 12

    Will that cause any problems to the charge current? (current limitation? etc...)

    Thanks,
    Boon Seong

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  • Charles Mauney
    Posted by Charles Mauney
    on Apr 12 2012 11:31 AM
    Mastermind25035 points

    Thanks for the waveforms they are informative.

    1) The TS pin looks like it is close to the cold fault threshold (3V) if you are using a 5V Vcc on the IC.  Why is this not more in the center of the TS range.

    2) The SNS pin photo is taken a 2V/div and does not show good resolution...should use 0.2V/div.

    3) The BAT pin also has poor resolution and looks like it is close to regulation at 2.05V...if the cell is at 13V then the pin should be 13/14.76*2.05 = 1.8V.

    4) don't understand why there is not ~250mV at the sense pin.

    5) I found the problem (just thought of it)......search the data sheet for "80".  You will find several places where the maximum duty cycle is 80%, so to get 14.76V out with 80% maximum duty cycle one would have to have 14.76/0.8 = 18.45V input plus about 1V of head room, so I would recomment 20V minimum input.

    If you can't specify a 20V or greater supply, then I would switch to another IC.

     

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  • boon seong thng
    Posted by boon seong thng
    on Apr 12 2012 21:08 PM
    Prodigy70 points

    I see, is using the breadboard causing any problems?

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  • boon seong thng
    Posted by boon seong thng
    on Apr 19 2012 03:52 AM
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    Hi Charles,

    We have fabricated our entire circuit, and completed it connecting all the components.

    1) The TS voltage is around 2.3-2.4V, which is well between the operating threshold.

    2) The SNS pin is showing 13.6mV, not 250mV.

    3) The BAT pin has voltage of 1.86V.

    The input current at the power supply shows arnd 260mA. We are also supplying arnd 20V+ to the input..

    So do you know why the charge current problem is still persisting?

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  • Charles Mauney
    Posted by Charles Mauney
    on May 01 2012 07:44 AM
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    What is the voltage at the switching node and duty cycle.

    What is the battery voltage?

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