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slaa391 - Capacitor power supply for MSP430

slaa391 - Capacitor power supply for MSP430

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Andre Gomes
Posted by Andre Gomes
on Feb 07 2012 10:25 AM
Prodigy190 points

Greetings,

Regarding the application report slaa391, I am implementing the capacitor supply from page 3, figure 2.
My question to you is  what is the purpose of the inductances (ferrite) and the potentiometers connected between each phase and the neutral point.

I'm quite confused because I couldn't find reference to any of these components in related application reports or in the forum.

Thanks in advance,

André Gomes

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  • Chris Glaser
    Posted by Chris Glaser
    on Feb 09 2012 09:42 AM
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    This circuit is explained in much more detail in this app note: http://www.ti.com/lit/an/slaa024/slaa024.pdf

    I will move this post to the isolated forum, where these types of supplies are more common.  The ferrite is likely for EMI/EMC reasons.

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  • John Bottrill
    Posted by John Bottrill
    on Feb 09 2012 09:57 AM
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    Andre,

    The SLAA391 doesn't appear in my search of TIs documents. Can you send a copy of the document?

    Regards,

    John

    John Bottrill

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  • John Bottrill
    Posted by John Bottrill
    on Feb 09 2012 10:15 AM
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    Andre,

    I received a copy of SLAA391 and have taken a look at it. I am not familiar with the design. My best guess is that it is to prevent high frequency transients form entering the system. 

    Sorry I really can't help here.

    Regards,

    John

    John Bottrill

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  • Andre Gomes
    Posted by Andre Gomes
    on Feb 09 2012 12:46 PM
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    John,

    Thanks for replying, indeed the inductances together with the potentiometers stand as a low-pass filter to high-frequencies. But I'm new to this area and I thought it would be best to ask someone before connecting each phase voltage to the neutral point through a resistance. This is where it gets tricky, I must have the frequencies of the signal up to 3kHz, and in order to have that the potentiometers must be of 10 to 100 ohm (assuming a value of few mH in each ferrite), this would likely lead to a short-circuit between the phase voltages and the neutral voltage... the obvious solution is to increase the values of the ferrite, but I know what consequences come from that, hence my question.

    Chris,

    Thank you for replying, I've read through slaa024 but unfortunately it makes no reference to the potentiometers or ferrite.

    Best Regards,

    Andre Gomes

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  • Andre Gomes
    Posted by Andre Gomes
    on Feb 09 2012 12:48 PM
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    *correction* ...I don't know what consequences come from that, hence my question.

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  • John Bottrill
    Posted by John Bottrill
    on Feb 09 2012 13:08 PM
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    Andre,

    Since I am unfamiliar with the design and would only be guessing I have forwarded your question to someone who might be able to answer. Unfortunately he is in Europe so I don't expect an immediate answer.

    Regards,

    John

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  • Andre Gomes
    Posted by Andre Gomes
    on Feb 09 2012 16:15 PM
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    Thank you!

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  • Steve Underwood
    Posted by Steve Underwood
    on Feb 09 2012 19:39 PM
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    The "potentiometers" are incorrectly drawn. They are actually surge suppressors (VDRs). The ferrite inductors in the the three phases are bead inductors. These and the larger inductor in the neutral are for EMI and RF suppression purposes. In particular they are needed to avoid destabilising the MCU during the kind of EMI attack simulated in the standard fast pulse transient tests. The one in the neutral lead could probably be a lot small.

    I hope the helps.

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  • Andre Gomes
    Posted by Andre Gomes
    on Feb 10 2012 18:48 PM
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    I does help a lot, thank you very much.

    Do you happen to know what are the typical values for the ferrite inductors and the VDRs?

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