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Request for Tina 9 program manual !

Lia Kim
Prodigy 20 points
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We need specific manual of Tina 9 program.

 

We are using Tina 9 but we can’t figure out the meaning of each part in program.

For example, “Jiles Artherton” meaning in below picture.”

There are many parts we don’t know.

 

We already got manuals in website, but It’s not helpful.

 

To use program, we need manual that have meanings of each parts  in Tina 9 program.

 

We want to know meaning of Jiles Atherton, Piecewise-linear and etc.

Can i get a specific manual of Tina 9 program.

 

e-mail address is sales2@odacore.com 

 

 

 

  • 0
    TI__Mastermind 26740 points
    Hello Lia Kim,

    I have notified the modeling group of your question, and someone there should be able to respond and help you.

    Regards,
    Ulrich
  • 0 in reply to Ulrich Goerke
    Prodigy 20 points

    When can i get the reply ? 

    We wasted so long time in tina asia (3 weeks) 

    They don't reply to my e-mail every time, and after i called their office, they don't know what's the main point, 

    And also, they have only 1 engineer for software and he's not ware of this situation and he even don't know about this program how to use.

    I feel very not good about Tina now. Tina korea is also very rude and they just told me they don't know and they didn't introduce me any country or distributor in other country that have engineer . It's so surprising to see how irresponsible and rude in these modern times. 

  • 0 in reply to Lia Kim
    TI__Mastermind 41310 points

    Lia Kim,

    I am sorry that you have had trouble getting the information you need.

    Jiles-Atherton is a method of modeling magnetic hysteresis and core nonlinearity that has been used for more than 30 years. The model uses parameters that are related to the physical attributes of the magnetic material being used in the transformer. A quick Google search can provide you with the equations and characteristics of the model types that use this method. This is not specific to TINA.

    Reference:

    The Jiles-Atherton model compatibly with the PSpice core model and described in the following article:

    [1] D.C. Jiles, and D.L. Atherton, “Theory of ferromagnetic hysteresis,” Journal of

    Magnetism and Magnetic Materials, 61, 48 (1986).

    The piecewise-linear model is another model that is used for simulation of nonlinear magnetic cores. The TINA model is based off of the Xspice core model.

    Reference:

    The nonlinear core can impact the simulation result, because it is saturated when the current through the coils is large enough to drive its core materials into saturation. This means that its inductance and other properties vary with changes in drive current. This nonlinearity can cause the generation of harmonics and intermodulation distortion.

     

    I hope that this information helps.

     

    Please let us know if you have any further questions about TINA-TI.

     

     

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    Intellectual 855 points

    December 2016: still I do not see response to your issue about USING parts in TINA.

    I down loaded 30 Megb UG

    There are many things that require detailed users' guide. In their absence, it is a waste of time trying to figure out. One wont, in best of the cases.

    It is like using programming language without  getting access to its syntax, key words etc. Or in case of matlab, not  making user familiar with "data type" for inputs and output. In fact, matlab does an extremely good job of not only giving excruciating details about data types, they have blocks for data conversion.

    Not so in TINA UG

    Here are some problems I wasted too much time reading( unsuccessfully) ug, using google search( only a few repeat topics come up-none dealing with exact issues)

    1) complete absence of how logic gates are used, if at all possible, along with analog SPICE models. I tried to use OR gate 7432( there is a part in the library). To no avail. So there must be a syntactical error in feeding inputs.

    2) Ok, I thought I can make a work around: so made a 2 diode OR gate. It wont give any  output. So there must be a syntactical error in feeding inputs.

    3) Failing that, I thought I can use the voltage controlled switch: so first, tried to see if it would produce expected results if I put in a controlling input (0 to 5V, 100kHZ) & put a load in output branch. The switch did not show any output. So there must be a syntactical error in feeding inputs.

    4) Failing that, I thought of using a transformer. The topic does not even come up in the UG. Search for "transformer" in the UG. Nothing will be found. So used common sense to hook it up. The circuit wont work. Nothing at the output

    5) There are "parameters". But one has no idea what these will be for a part. TINA has its own world of coined words with their own local syntax. So I have no idea what these will be for ANY part.

    6) Go to "component help". Nothing there to help you figure out usage of these I have encountered. I am sure there are many more…..

    I am sure there are "easy" "tricks" ...once the tech support guys respond( & they are very good in the US), you  would think "ha, but I could not figure these out!"

    Then of course this raises a bigger problem: you get explanation for use of parts you have come across, this leaves out all  the others you would come across for which you have to go through tech support again.

    I would beg TI/Design Soft to figure out a way to rewrite the UG in more didactive way so users can find out details about issues I raised & surely they know many others that need to be put into  educative form.

    If my raising these issues helps start it, I will be gratified. After all , we have a very good & powerful tool here.