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UCC2897: If Vin current load 30mA is within IC normal operating spec while UVP on the LINEUV pin

Part Number: UCC2897

My customer would like to check one spec of UCC2897APWR.

When UCC2897APWR UVP on the LINEUV pin , what is the range of Vin current load?

Customer test IC on their board, and measured:

  • Good IC: Vin current 20mA under UVP
  • Failed IC: Vin current 30mA under UVP

Would like to confirm with you if Vin current load 30mA is within IC normal operating spec.

Thank you for your time and support.

  • Hello Tiffany,

    I think you emailed me this question also.

    Anyway, 20mA or 30mA is a very high current for a controller that is in a standby state.

    Figure 3 in the datasheet shows that the quiescent supply current should be about 2mA.

    In most applications VIN is only used to startup the device and once the device is operational a bias voltage of greater than 12.7V on the VDD pin is used to power the IC.

    Do they actually measure this current on the VIN pin of the ic or is this the input current to the power supply durine a line under voltage ?

    Regards

    John

  • Hi John,

    Please refer to the attached file.

    I_Vin_S issue 20180412.doc

  • Hi Johnson,
    I can see that the VDD power is derived from VIN by means of a discrete linear regulator designed around ZD103 and Q108.
    With this arrangement the voltage on the source of Q108 is going to be Vs = 12- VGS_TH = 9V min and the minimum voltage on VDD = 9-Vd = 8.3v
    This means that the internal regulator on the VIN input is still on and the UCC2897A is drawing current from the VIN pin.
    VDD needs to be biased greater than 12.7V.
    I think you should replace Q108 with an npn bipolar transistor and remove D113.
    This should ensure that the VDD pin is powering the UCC2897A
    Also I don't see any decoupling caps on VIN.
    Is this correct ?

    Regards
    John
  • Hi John,

    Yes, there is no decoupling cap on Vin.

    The current I_Vin_S on NG IC is more then Good IC. We think the large I_Vin_s to make the voltage drop on Vin_s. So We want to Know 30mA peak current is meet your IC design?

    Thanks.

    Johnson

  • Hi Johnson,

    You need to have a decoupling capacitor on Vin.
    Most likely you are seeing a variation in peak currents on Vin because of the uncertainty caused by a lack of decoupling.
    A peak current rating is not specified  for the UCC2897A 
    You should calculate the average current and multiply by the value of Vin.
    This should be just a few 100mW and not cause overheating of the UCC2897A
    Your maximum power dissipation will occur when the device comes out of UVP condition.
    This is really the current you should be measuring if you think there is an issue.

    Why do you worry about the device current when in an UVP condition ?

    Regards

    John

  • Hi John,

    The current I_Vin_S =30mA on NG IC make our DCDC module fail the UVP test.
    And, the I_Vin_S =20mA on good IC make our DCDC module pass the UVP test.
    We think in UVP condition, if the I_Vin_S is more than 20 mA is NG IC.
    Can you help to check it?

    Thanks.

    Johnson
  • Hi Johnson,
    So you have some units that fail UVP.
    This is most likely to be a schematic or pcb design issue and not the controller.
    I see a few things wrong with your schematic:
    (1) There is no decoupling cap on Vin
    (2) The min voltage on VDD is going to be 12-3-0.7 = 8.3V
    This needs to be 12.7V in order to bias off the internal voltage regulator.

    It may be that some controllers are being biased off and some units are not.
    It is unfair to classify some units as "good" and some as "bad"
    There are weaknesses in the schematic design and you need to fix these in order to get consistent results.

    Regards
    John