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TL431A-Q1 for amplitude detection

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Hello all,

I found a puzzling question lately in our project recently,

In the datasheet from TI, we can use TL431 as follows without connecting feedback resistor from output to input:

My question is what's the range of Von at the output?(In datasheet it says just around 2V).

How can it be set to around 2V when there's no negative free back from the output?

Please try help, thank you very much!

Best wishes,

Junwen

  • Yuan,

    Ideally The cathode would be open for Input < 2.495V and cathode would be short to ground when Input greater than 2.495V.

    However Reference  pin is also start up voltage signal and cathode is also the VCC pin and draws an ICC current. Therefore the input resistor is needed because Iref increases when input is greater than 2.5V
    As input goes from 0V to 2.45V, cathode current will increase for zero to about 0.5mA. For higher input voltage, the reference pin forward biases to cathode pin and cathode voltage will be about 2V +/-200mV.

  • Hello Ronald,

    Thank you very much for your reply.

    But there's another question for this kind of usage as you said that we must limit the Iref in order the meet the specification.

    Of course, this was the recommendation for the third test circuit in datasheet. I think the bottle neck of max current is due to the reliability of internal PN junction of transistor.(not causing too much voltage drift..)

    Could you also help find the max current or the leakage current curve for this application also?

    Best Regards,

    Junwen Yuan

  • Junwen,


    With input up to 2.5V, the input current is less than 4uA. For higher input voltage, current must be limited to less than 10mA. R[min] = (Vin - 2.5V) / 10mA. However it is best to use a lower maximum input current (<2mA). 

  • Hello Ronald,

    Very clear! Thank you very much for your fast reply.

    Regards,

    Junwen