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TPS7A45: Thermal Shutdown Temperature

Part Number: TPS7A45
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TL1963A

Hi, all.

Please tell me the thermal shutdown temperature of TPS7A45.
And Is it a latch type protection?

Best Regards,
Yusuke/Japan Disty

  • Hi Yusuke,

    The primary thermal protection for this device is to reduce the current as the input-to-output voltage increases in order to keep the power transistor in the safe operating region.  It is possible under specific conditions to cause a latch; however, under most conditions this is not a latching thermal protection.  Please read section 8.3.3 of the datasheet for more information.

    Very Respectfully,

    Ryan

  • Ryan-san,

    Thank you for your kind support.
    Customers want to know the temperature to thermal shutdown.
    TL1963A has information on thermal shutdown temperature.

    https://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/linear_regulators/f/321/t/521636?tisearch=e2e-quicksearch&keymatch=tl1963a

    Could you tell me the thermal shutdown temperature of TPS7A45?

    Best Regards,
    Yusuke/Japan Disty

  • Hi Yusuke-san,

    TPS7A45 does not have a thermal shutdown as is found in many LDO's. Rather it protects itself thermally as described above. As such, we do not have a thermal shutdown temperature to provide for TPS7A45.

    Very Respectfully,
    Ryan
  • Ryan-san,

    Thank you for your response.
    However, the following contents are described in the datasheet.
    Please tell me the meaning of this thermal limit.
    And Could you tell me the temperature threshold at which the thermal limit occurs.

    Otherwise,
    TL1963A has thermalshutdown protection (175℃),
    https://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/linear_regulators/f/321/t/521636?tisearch=e2e-quicksearch&keymatch=tl1963a
    TPS7A45 has no thermalshutdown protection.
    Is my understanding correct?



    Customers make TPS7A45 the primary candidate.
    Therefore, customers need this information.

    Best Regards,
    Yusuke/Japan Disty

  • Hi Yusuke-san,

    The heat generated in an regulator is caused by the power dissipated in the regulator.  Power dissipated is equal to the headroom (Vin - Vout) multiplied by the output current.  TPS7A45 limits the thermal by reducing the output current as the headroom increases.

    If this type of thermal limiting is not acceptable to the customer, then TPS7A45 is not a good candidate for their application.

    Very Respectfully,

    Ryan

  • Ryan-san,

    Thank you for your explanation and support.
    However, the customer has doubts about your explanation.

    1.The overload recovery description of TL1963A and TPS7A45 datasheet is the same.
       TL1963A has thermalshutdown function, TPS7A45 does not have thermalshutdown function.
       Is this correct in your understanding?
       And Is the difference between the two devices only output voltage accuracy, current consumption and protection function?

    2."TPS7A45 limits the thermal by reducing the output current as the headroom increases."
     →Please tell me the trend of ”reducing the output current”.
        Customers want to know the current behavior when protection works.

    Best Regards,
    Yusuke/Japan Disty

  • Hi Tsukui,

    this is just how the SOA protection is working:

    In order to limit the heat dissipation, the SOA protection allows a higher output current at small input to output differential voltages and a smaller output current at high input to output differential voltages. This is very simple, no rocket science.

    The idea of thermal shutdown is to decrease the output current even to zero, when a certain die temperature is reached and not even the least output current is allowed to flow anymore in order to prevent the die from damage. There's usually no precise temperature at which the shutdown will occur. The shutdown temperature depends on many factors like thermal gradient during over-temperature situation within the die, which depends on the actual cooling situation (heatsink or not), manufacturing tolerances and the dynamics of how fast the die temperature is rising. An exact shutdown temperature cannot be specified in the most cases, because it depends so much on the actual application. Also, die temperatures above 150...170°C are so stressful for the chip that you should never make use of these high die temperatures in a high reliability application. And under no circumstances the thermal shutdown must be missused as a replacement of proper cooling!

    So, you should not ask: "What will the thermal shutdown exactly do at 175°C?", but you should ask: "What can I do to prevent the die from ever reaching 175°C?" :-)

    Kai

  • Kai-san,

    Thank you for your kind support and explanation.
    I understand what you are saying.
    And I agree with you.

    However,
    Customer want to clarify thermal shutdown operation in preparation for unexpected contingencies.
    Could you give me accurate information on the following?

    1.TL1963A has thermalshutdown function, TPS7A45 does not have thermalshutdown function.
       Is my understanding correct?
       https://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/linear_regulators/f/321/t/521636?tisearch=e2e-quicksearch&keymatch=tl1963a
      
       And Is the difference between the two devices only output voltage accuracy, current consumption and protection function?

       Please advise below three questions ASAP because the customer’s design schedule is very limited.

    Best Regards,
    Yusuke/Japan Disty

  • Hi Yusuke-san,

    Both  and I have attempted to explain how the thermal protection works for TPS7A45.  TL1963A is a different device and therefore will not have all of the same answers as we give for TPS7A45.  As mentioned on your other threads for this application it is important to keep in mind that the thermal protection is for fault conditions only and is not designed for normal operation.  It is important that you and your customer design an application to keep whichever regulator you decide is best for your application within the operating conditions specified in the regulators datasheet.

    Very Respectfully,

    Ryan