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TPS54821EVM

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Hi, I'm disty of Japan.

I have some question about TPS54821.

-- Back ground -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Our important customer is evaluating TPS54821EVM now.
He asked me some question about the phenomenon that he found in the evaluation.
I confirm the phenomenon with a same condition as him and ask you some question about the evaluation result.
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I evaluated TPS54821EVM on following conditions.

1.Test conditions
  C9、C10 ⇒ 100uF×3(changed value)
    Model number:GRM32EB30J107ME16

    L1:3.3μH
    Model number:IHLP4040DZER3R3M01、DCR:13.7mΩ

  R8 ⇒ 15kΩ(changed value)
  R3 ⇒ 33kΩ(changed value)
     R2 ⇒ open(changed value)
  PVIN、VIN:shorted
  Iout:3.2A(constant:added 0.31Ω VOUT to GND)
  Temp:room tmp
     Fsw:1.4MHz(design value)
  VIN:5 to 11V
  VOUT:1V(design Value)
  measurement point:PH(TP7)、VOUT(TP9)、VIN(TP1)、IOUT(current probe)
  
2.Result
 ①When VIN was 5V,high pulse width of ph was about 160ns.
    There is no problem in particular on  all waveforms.
  (see the attached file)

  ②When VIN was 5.5V,Jitter appeared on the high pulse width on PH signal.
    The high pulse width was about 120 to 180 but Fsw was constant(1.4MHz).
    And the waveform of VOUT voltage does not seem to have any problem. 
  (see the attached file)

  ③When VIN was 9V,the high pulse omission on PH signal occurred and Fsw was not
    1.4MHz. And the minimum high pulse width on PH signal was about 100ns.
  (see the attached file)

  ④When VIN was 11V、the high pulse omission on PH signal occurred more.
  (Fsw was not 1.4MHz)
  And the minimum high pulse width on PH signal was about 100ns.
  (see the attached file)

 ③,④ Result waveform:
   The output voltage appears to be  fluctuates, by frequency is changed.

 3.Questions
  ①Does the jitter that appeared at "VIN = 5.5V" usually occur?
      Does the jitter affect VOUT?(ex. a ripple voltage increase)
      Is there any problem,if we use TPS54821 in this conditions?
  ②Is the jitter related with a value of C11?(C11=470pF:current condition)
  ③Does the phenomenon of pulse omission that appeared at "VIN = 9V" usually occur?
      Does the pulse omission affect VOUT ?(ex. a ripple voltage increase)
   Is there any problem,if we use TPS54821 in this conditions?
  ④I think that the high pulse width of 100ns(when VIN is 9V) is "minimum on time" of this sample 
   on this EVM.
      Is it correct?
 ⑤Does it affect VOUT that a voltage of 11V(more than 9V) apply VIN,If "minimum on time" of
      this sample is 100ns(VIN=9V)?
      Is it thought that the voltage of VOUT greatly changes?(ex. the VOUT voltage decrease or increase)
      Is there any problem,if we use TPS54821 in this conditions(VIN=11V)?

 
I would appreciate if you lend your expertise to me.
 
Best regards.

TPS54821EVM_Questuon.pdf

  • Yes you are experiencing issues with minimum on time. As the input voltage rises, the required on time decreases. At first you may see it as jitter where the average on time is approximately what is required fro regulation. As the input voltage increases further you will start to skip pulses as you observe. For 1 V output you will need to decrease the switching frequency. C11 may have some effect. You may also have stability issues as you have changed the output filter without re-compensating the loop.
  • Tucker-san

    Thank you very much for your prompt reply.
    Please let me ask you a question a little more.


    My understanding is as follows.

    ***I know Voutmin can be calculated by calculation formula in 25 pages of data sheet
    (SLVSB14A-OCTOBER 2011-REVISED NOVEMBER 2014).***

    Even if the value of Voutmin nears a design value(current Vout=1V) or exceeds it a little by increasing VIN voltage,
    TPS54821 try to output 1V as close as possible with changing duty and skipping pulses.
    So, though the ripple voltage of  VOUT will grow big in the condition of the above, the switching operation will never stop suddenly and the average voltage of  VOUT will not change greatly.
    Is my understanding correct?

    Best  regards.

  • I think you are correct in that. The easy answer is to lower the switching frequency for your design.