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[TPS65920] Backup mode current consumption @ BKBAT

[TPS65920] Backup mode current consumption @ BKBAT

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Antony Lin
Posted by Antony Lin
on Oct 07 2010 00:42 AM
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 We're trying to measure backup mode current consumption, and see if it's around 2.25uA as specified.  The test procedure is as below.

1. Connect 3.7V at VBAT, and 2.7V at BKBAT. 
2. Remove VBAT 3.7V after booting, and only 2.7V BKBAT supplies system
3. Measue drain current  from BKBAT  ---> 2.7V/7.56uA (100ohm+/-1% resistor as current sense)
4. Re-connect 3.7V at VBAT. 
5. Check if RTC keeps when VBAT is removed.

It seems the backup mode current is 7.56uA which is bigger than 2.25uA as specified.  Can you help to indicate if there's anything incorrect for our test set-up and configuration?

Thanks,

Antony

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  • Søren Steen Christensen
    Posted by Søren Steen Christensen
    on Oct 07 2010 15:33 PM
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    Hi Antony,

    Although it doesn't help much I can confirm to have seen similar results while doing a 99% similar test. One idea which might bring down the power consumption (which I unfortunately first realized later than at the time of doing my test) is to set the CK32K_LOWPWR_EN-bit in TPS65950 in order to let the 32kHz clock run in low power mode when VBAT is low.

    I however haven't tested the effect of this yet. In case you do this, could you please update this thread to let me know if this is the magic trick of bringing down the BKBAT draw from the measured 7.56uA to the specified 2.25uA?

    Best regards and thanks
      Søren

    Søren Steen Christensen - SSC Solutions ApS - Web: www.ssc-solutions.dk

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  • Antony Lin
    Posted by Antony Lin
    on Oct 08 2010 02:35 AM
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    Hi Søren,

    It drops 1.7xuA with  CK32K_LOWPWR_EN=1.  Do you think there's any side effect with this setting?

    Antony

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  • Gandhar Dighe
    Posted by Gandhar Dighe
    on Oct 08 2010 16:16 PM
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    Thanks Soren.

     

    Antony,

    In backup there is no need for excess consumption. So, this setting is ok.

     

    Regards,

    Gandhar.

     

    Regards,
    Gandhar

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  • Søren Steen Christensen
    Posted by Søren Steen Christensen
    on Oct 09 2010 10:59 AM
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    Hi Gandhar,

    You are welcome, but apparently setting this bit doesn't solve the whole topic? As I understand the reply it saves ~1.7uA out of ~7.5uA, which still leaves the total consumption at ~5.8uA, which is around 2.5 times what to expect from the datasheet (2.25uA)? Any ideas about how to get the last step down to 2.25uA?

    Best regards and Thanks
      Søren

    Søren Steen Christensen - SSC Solutions ApS - Web: www.ssc-solutions.dk

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  • Antony Lin
    Posted by Antony Lin
    on Oct 13 2010 22:02 PM
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    Hi Søren,

    I'm sorry that I made some misunderstanding. 

    After applying the setting, the backup mode current is around 1.7uA now. 

    Antony

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  • Søren Steen Christensen
    Posted by Søren Steen Christensen
    on Oct 15 2010 09:46 AM
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    Hi Antony,

    No worries. I'm just glad that this did the magic trick :-) And that it did it that much that I believed that you "x" meant times and not just a "random" number following the 7 :-) Actually what you now measure it 0.5uA (~20%) less that typical consumption according according to datasheet, which was so great that I couldn't believe it :-)

    Thanks for updating me on this - Enjoy your weekend
      Søren

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  • Antony Lin
    Posted by Antony Lin
    on Oct 20 2010 03:07 AM
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    Hi Gandhar,

     

    After enable the CK32K_LOWPWR_EN bit to '1', they found the RTC drift increase from 1sec/Day to 4~5sec/Day.  (VBAT is not avaiable)

    - Do you think this is reasonable?

    - The above drift is measured with compensation enabled, do you think compensation is nnot working when CK32K_LOWPWR_EN=1?

    - Is it normal there's no clock from CLK32kout when CK32K_LOWPWR_EN=1?

    - Regarding the backup mdoe current specified in DM (2.25uA), is it done with CK32K_LOWPWR_EN=1 or 0?

    Thanks,

    Antony

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  • Gandhar Dighe
    Posted by Gandhar Dighe
    on Oct 20 2010 12:21 PM
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    Hi Antony,

    Setting 32K to low power is correct and needed for the correct estimation of consumption, data sheet has this setting. Clock will be active in this setting.

    I dont have data for drift, I will find out and let you know.

     

    Regards,

    Gandhar.

     

    Regards,
    Gandhar

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  • Søren Steen Christensen
    Posted by Søren Steen Christensen
    on Oct 20 2010 12:46 PM
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    Hi Gandhar,

    Are you sure CLK32kout is expected to be on when CK32K_LOWPWR_EN=1?

    AFAIR it's expected to be switched off (as found by the questioner) in order to save power, but I might remember wrong?

    Thanks for clarifying and double checking
      Søren

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  • Gandhar Dighe
    Posted by Gandhar Dighe
    on Oct 20 2010 13:41 PM
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    Hi Antony,

    Your reading are all correct.

    In low power mode the clock drift is normal. The 32K clk is active in this mode. When the setting is in normal mode then you will see an approximate increase of 4uA. This is what you are seeing.

    Unfortunately your customer will have to pick one of two options - power vs. accuracy..

     

    Regards,

    Gandhar.

     

    Regards,
    Gandhar

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  • Søren Steen Christensen
    Posted by Søren Steen Christensen
    on Oct 20 2010 16:42 PM
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    Hi Gandhar,

    Sorry for being a bit slow on this tonight (EU time), but just to be 100% sure. Are you saying, that the CLK32kout-pin is expected to be on/driven even when CK32K_LOWPWR_EN=1? In this case there might be something "wrong" with Antony Lins setup since he is reporting that it's off (please see his last post on this thread) when setting the bit.

    Best regards and thanks for the continued support
      Søren

    Søren Steen Christensen - SSC Solutions ApS - Web: www.ssc-solutions.dk

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  • Antony Lin
    Posted by Antony Lin
    on Oct 20 2010 21:02 PM
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    Hi Gandhar,

    When you said "Unfortunately your customer will have to pick one of two options - power vs. accuracy", do you mean the higher RTC drift is expected?

    Antony

     

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  • Gandhar Dighe
    Posted by Gandhar Dighe
    on Nov 11 2010 18:26 PM
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    Hi Antony,

    Yes, you are correct.

     

    Regards,

    Gandhar.

     

    Regards,
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