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HDC1080: Sudden differential temperature in the temperature rise test phenomenon

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Part Number: HDC1080
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: CC2650STK

Hi,

HDC1080 data from a TI sensortag indicates the strange tendency, and confirmation request has come.

It's the same numerical value to say the tendency for about one hour mostly, but the phenomenon up which the numerical value goes about 5 degree suddenly continues.

Temprature and humidity is normal in my office.

 

Does anyone has same issue?

 

kyt

  • Howdy kyt,

    Could you let us know the setup involving the TI sensortag? The climb in temperature may be caused by self heating of the board being evaluated, when designing with temp/humidity sensing products please ensure that the following "best practices" for layout are being observed. Guidelines regarding layout and handling of these devices are linked below:

    Optimizing Placement and Routing for Humidity Sensors (Rev. A)
    www.ti.com/.../snaa297a.pdf

    Humidity Sensor: Storage and Handling Guidelines:
    www.ti.com/.../snia025.pdf

    Best Regards,
    Matt
  • Howdy kyt,

    After some further study, it looks like you may be referring to a TI developed SensorTag. I've been unsuccessful in finding the tag that includes the HDC1080 device, may I know the full name or description of the SensorTag? A 5 degree delta in ambient temperature is quite large, which leads me to the conclusion of a defective Tag, or we may need to study the issue more to understand the root cause. Please let me know if you have any questions, and I look forward to your reply.

    Best Regards,
    Matt
  • Matt,

    thank you for your reply.

    I miss to post device name.

    the correct device is HDC100(NRND) on the CC2650STK.

    regards,

    kyt 

  • Howdy Kty,

    Thanks for the information regarding the device and sensortag name.  To better understand the issue you're currently facing, can you provide data that you are obtaining from the device.  Additionally, please ensure that the window to the sensor is not obstructed, as this would result in inaccurate ambient temperature reading. 

    Best Regards,

    Matt

  • Hello there,

    I also encountered some problems with the humidity senbsor of the CC2650STK sensor tag.

    As you can see in the picture, the sensor starts to act strange and generates spikes after some time. This is already my second tag I with which I got this behavior. The android app just shows either 0 % humidty or 100 %. 

    Also the temperature from this sensor is completely off:

    2018-02-27_08:39:05 (-40.0, 99.99847412109375)
    2018-02-27_08:40:06 (17.91717529296875, 30.615234375)
    2018-02-27_08:41:07 (-40.0, 99.99847412109375)
    2018-02-27_08:42:08 (17.07122802734375, 27.03857421875)
    2018-02-27_08:43:12 (-40.0, 99.99847412109375)

    Since the tag is placed on my bookshelf in my living room, it is not placed in a harsh environement or in the direct sun. ...

    Do you have any idea how to not get this problem? 

    BTW sorry for this quick and dirty picture. 

  • Howdy user5265586,

    This is indeed a strange issue.  Can you confirm that the sensor tag is not in the path that would cause any temperature variations, such as vents, fans, etc?  Relative humidity calculations are dependent on temperature information, therefore you will need to verify that the temperature value stabilizes.  The sensor tag includes windows that allow the environmental ambient temperature and humidity to expose the sensor.  Can you verify that these windows are not obstructed?  Additionally, please ensure that no contaminants enter the window as this would corrupt the exposed HDC sensor, and produce erroneous results.

    Best Regards,

    Matt

  • Hody MAtt,

    Yes I can confirm, the sensortag is completely free of contaminations or what so ever. I also placed it at different spots in the room and got this problem again. I think the sensor is broken. My concern is, that this is already the second one in less than 8 weeks.

    Cheers,

    Chris

  • Hi Chris,

    Is the above issue intermittent or random? Can you provide more samples/data of a capture? The graph along with your responses may indicate a communication problem, can you verify that the device is not placed near any components or systems that may be producing EMI?

    Answers to these questions will be helpful in our debug efforts.

    Best Regards,
    Matt
  • Hi Matt,

    It is at first random and gets more and more intermittent. If it is a communication problem, then it is on the board, the other sensors are working perfectly.

    I moved the sensor around in the room and got the same problem, so maybe the defect gets triggered by BMI but then persists. Other data just looks the same way, no information there. There is no error message or so. Unfortunately I don't have the dev-board, maybe this would give some extra traces.

    Is it possible, that this behavior can be triggered by a certain amount of sensor readouts over a long time?

    Best regards,

    Christoph

  • Hi Christoph,

    To answer your questions:

    • Is it possible, that this behavior can be triggered by a certain amount of sensor readouts over a long time?

    This should not be the case.  Unfortunately, the enclosure makes it hard to debug to see if it is indeed a communication problem, which may indicate a broken/faulty sensor tag.  I'll send you an e2e message.

    Additionally please verify the conditions below, as they may affect the operation of the device when operating under strong UV light or exposed to contaminants:

    Storage and handling: www.ti.com/.../snia025.pdf

    Humidity sensors require special care when it comes to storage, handling, and ambient exposure. As the sensor is exposed, special care must be taken as any particles, vapors, etc could possible contaminate the sensor, and therefore corrupt the reading. Long exposures to UV light, visible light or high concentration chemical vapors for prolonged periods may shift the RH output and should be avoided. Exposure to to high concentrations of out-gassed solvent vapors for long times should be avoided during manufacturing, transport and operation. In addition to these handling requirements, the sensors require a specific standard reflow when mounting the devices onto a PCB. The sensor is qualified to withstand soldering profile according to IPC/JEDEC J-STD-020 with peak temperatures at 260C.

    Best Regards,

    Matt

  • Hi Matt,
    The sensortag is placed on my office desk, so I don't think it gets high temperatures or high doses of UV light. I'm still breathing so it can't be that toxic.
    Best Regards,
    Chris
  • Hi Chris,

    Thanks for the information. I've replied to you offline with next steps and procedures to try.

    Best Regards,
    Matt