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LDCCOILEVM: Using the Coils with LDC1000EVM results in noisy signal

Part Number: LDCCOILEVM
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LDC1000EVM, , LDC1101EVM, LDC1101, LDC1614

I am trying to use the LDCCOILEVM coil B or C (same coil) with the LDC1000EVM to sense the position of a target as it moves linearly across the coil. We have tried a few different capacitors to achieve differing results. We have used a 33 pF capacitor (which according to other posts is smaller than suggested) to achieve a frequency around 5 MHz and a 820 pF capacitor to achieve a frequency around 1 MHz. The 5 MHz frequency sensor is to sensitive for our application due to the high frequency, but looking at the coil datasheets it gives us a very high quality factor in comparison to a 1 MHz frequency.

Looking at our resulting data with the 5 MHz sensor with Rp_min = 54 and Rp_max = 21 we get our largest range of data from ~1000 to ~18000. Toward the lower end of that data the noise will range about 100 data points and toward the top the data will range about 500 data points. Also due to the high frequency, touching our target will cause the signal to jump 1000 points on the lower end and 6000 on the higher end.

Looking at our resulting data with the 1 MHz sensor with Rp_min = 62 and Rp_max = 29 we get our largest range of data from ~850 to ~19850. Toward the lower end of that data the noise will range about 100 data points and toward the top the data will range about 200 data points. Due to the lower frequency, touching our target seems to barely have much affect on the data points.

We are curious as to how the quality factor plays into the sensor design and if it even should be considered as it seems we get better resulting data using a lower quality factor? We also are curious if for a linear application if this amount of signal to noise is considered normal or if the configuration could be tuned to see better quality results? Also as suggested in other threads we have ordered the LDC1101EVM to replace the LDC1000EVM. What are the main differences between these devices as it isn't very clear what they are?

Any help would be appreciated.

  • Hello Cameron,

    Your RPMIN setting may not be low enough - I think the Rp of the sensor you have chosen is ~6kOhms; RPMIN must be below the actual RP value. Also, have you set the CFB value as detailed in section 8.2.1.2.3 of the datasheet?

    The LDC1101 is superior to the LDC1000 in many ways - as long as you do not need Automotive operation up to 150 degree C, or need a sensor to operate below 500kHz, the LDC1101 is preferred.

    In comparison to the LDC1000, the LDC1101:

    • Samples up to 2x as fast
    • Has 20x tighter device-device matching for RP measurements
    • Has twice the RP measurement resolution and much better RP measurement accuracy
    • 2x faster SPI bus
    • 2x faster reference frequency with 4x better effective resolution for L
    • Supports threshold comparisons for both RP and L (the LDC1000 only can do RP)
    • Includes a low power shutdown mode where the current is <20µA
    • Instead of an external CFB cap which can be a bit difficult to set the LDC1101 uses internal configuration registers
    • Has a wider supply voltage range of 1.71V to 3.5V (compared to 5V+/-5%)
    • Supports 500kHz to 10MHz sensor frequencies (vs. 5kHz to 5MHz for the LDC1000 family)
    • Smaller package (DFN10 vs DFN16)

    The LDC1101 can be viewed as an improved LDC1000 with an additional single channel of an LDC1614 included.

    In general, the LDC1101 is much better than the LDC1000 device. If those benefits aren't enough, the LDC1101 is also less expensive.


    Regards,

    ChrisO

  • I was unaware of the filtering capacitor and am noticing it makes a significant difference in my data, but still not nearly enough. You mention that the Rp of my sensor is ~6kOhms, is that not a frequency dependent value? Also is there a datasheet that explains all of this? The LDCCOILEVM page has a users guide but it doesn't mention Rp. I also have an LDC1101 now and am messing with it but it seems it does not have the filter capacitor that the LDC1000 has. I still do not get amazing data results.

  • Hello Cameron,

    Yes, the Rp is a function of the sensor frequency. I estimated the Rp from what I thought your operating frequency was. The LDCCOILEVM user guide shows the sensor Rs vs frequency; you can calculate the Rp = (2*PI*fsensor*L)^2/Rs

    More information on the sensor can be found in the Sensor Design App-note: www.ti.com/.../snoa930.pdf

    The LDC1101 does not use an external CFB - it is configured by internal registers.

    Regards,
    ChrisO