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Issue with different circuit performance using CD4501B DIP and SOIC packages

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Hello,

             i am designing a Hardware in which i am switching a precise current source of  value 0.09 milli ampere using cd4051 multiplexer.

my circuit contains two stages 1st D-MUX stage and 2nd MUX stage. as explained  in below picture.,

i tested this circuit using cd 4051 DIP package. If i switch current through 100k (0.1%) resistor i get output 9 volt.

the problem is when i replace the DIP package with smd package, for 100 k it gives 7.6 volt and reduces to 6 volt 

then i cross checked using dip package in same circuit it give perfect result.

CAN ANY ONE PLEASE EXPLAIN???????????????

  • Sasuke,

    Thank you for providing some details and diagram around your question.  The CD4501B device only comes in leaded packages and does not come in a surface mount package. 

    When you are changing out packages are you referring to different resistor packages?  Have you measured the resistance of the resistors in your network in both package types?  Are these circuits on two different boards?  Maybe there is some leakage path due to some residual flux that is causing your voltage to drop. 

    I have contacted the engineer supporting CD4051B products for more help.

    Thank you,

    Adam

  • thanks for the reply,

    no i am talking about the ic. and this is a part of a complete hardware. I TYPED WRONG ABOUT PACKAGE [my bad]ACTUALLY I WAS TALKING ABOUT PDIP AND SOIC.

  • Sasuke ,

    The PDIP and SOIC both have the same internal die as I checked now . 90uA is little tiny current to work with on the logic switches which consume almost 20uA Idd current at room temp and up to 600uA at high temp. We do not have spec of the on-state leakage current , however the off state leakage current per channel can add up.
    ron although small compared to pulldown resistor , can also have voltage drop across device.
    how many devices did you measure and compare against ?
    what is meant by " it gives 7.6 volt and reduces to 6 volt " is it initial 7.6V transient which settles down to 6V ?
    where else is the voltage drop being developed if not at the 100kohm , is the current still 90uA at the COM pin?
  • hello shreyas



    "The PDIP and SOIC both have the same internal die as I checked now . 90uA is little tiny current to work with on the logic switches which consume almost 20uA Idd current at room temp and up to 600uA at high temp."

    [Sir, may be 90 u Amp is too tiny current, but thing troubling me is both packages should have perform same.and how ic input current is going to effect  switching of tiny current source]



    "what is meant by " it gives 7.6 volt and reduces to 6 volt " is it initial 7.6V transient which settles down to 6V ?
    where else is the voltage drop being developed if not at the 100kohm , is the current still 90uA at the COM pin?"

    [Let's consider a case to explain my question

    1) lets say, i connect a 100 k resistor to the channel 0 of CD4051 and ground the other end of resistor. Now i apply a constant current source of 90 uA to o/p of   cd4051 and power up the mux [vcc = 15V].  then i switch to the channel 0.   ideally my current source (without any leakage) will flow through resistor connected to channel 0 and i should get a voltage drop of 9 V.

    but in case of PDIP package i get 8.998 V and in case of SOIC i get different [reduced] voltage which is not stable it further reduces to lower value. and it is not transient it reduces slowly .

    and current source entering to mux remains same.90 u Amp

    ]

    the only explanation i could think of is on state leakage current plus off state leakage current per channel. since my current is too low and a few u ampere leakage will result in notable change (since resistance is too high and total leakage of 20 uA will result in  2 volt drop ,7 volt instead of 9 V)  

    BUT  DATA SHEET SPECIFIES LIKE BELOW

    but again the same question WHY NOT IN DIP?

  • Hi Sasuke san ,

    Understand your concern and I cant think why both packages behave differently with same die in them either .
    How many soic devices behave differently and how many PDIP have you tested to be good ? what is the device marking on them ? would you like to initiate customer returns ?
  • hello shreyas,

    well, since i required 15 PDIP packages in my applications so i have tested 15 and those are working fine. and tested around 20 SOIC packages none of them works. why don't you check it on your side if possible.

  • hello shreyas,
                               any updates on problem???

  • Hi sasuke ,

    I setup the soic device with 120kohm resistor , I didn't observe a voltage drop at the output . It read 10.5V as expected.

  • hi shreyas,
    thanks for putting your time and efforts, i have ordered new SOIC packages i will test again and then update you further.
  • hello shreyas,
    i have ordered some cd4051 soic samples from TI . today i checked and they are working fine.
    thanks for your help