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Best Zigbee device for rapid sensor communication

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: CC2400, SIMPLICITI, CC2500

Hi, 

   I am looking for a zigbee device that I can set up to transmit a lot of data fast and at a good distance (1000m or so). I've just read about zigbee and probably don't fully understand its purpose or functionality, so if zigbee doesn't look right for me, let me know. Anyways, what I want to do is have one device as a coordinator and have it talk to multiple end devices or routers (not sure what they'll be yet). These end devices or routers will be attached to a sensor that will take readings rather fast (lets say as fast as the A/D will handle) then do one of two things: either transmit the data right away (may be constantly transmitting while sensing) or store the sensor data and transmit it all at once after all the sensor readings have occurred. I'm not sure which way is best to do it. So the end devices will probably be sensing for 1 to 5 sec and off for no shorter than 1sec but I'm not too sure if this is too short already (I'm not sure about the FCC regulations on this band). Then I want my coordinator to receive the data and do things with it. One concern I have is the ability of having 8 or so sensors transmitting to the coordinator all at once and either the coordinator misses some or it can't receive them all in enough time (1 or 2 sec). This is my ideal situation; however, I could see a workaround where the coordinator is only focused on one end device or router at a time so I wouldn't have to worry about receiving 8 messages at once (although that would be nice).  As far as the distance goes, I know I can boost the output power to any level in the US but I want to keep it approved globally so I think Europe has the limit of 100mW, which I read may get over 1000m in outside applications (which mine is).

Any help/advice is greatly appreciated.

 Thank you,

Tony

  • ZigBee as a standard has a data rate of somewhere in the 120kbaud (250kbaud raw data but the overhead kills you).  So I don't know if that is sufficient for your needs.  If you are willing to do without the ZigBee and go for something with less overhead (SimplicTI for instance) throughput can go up.  Still the higher the data rate the less the distance, though with the 2591 range extender you could well get the data rate and distances you desire.  I guess you could have multireceivers talking to each of the transmitters (data sources) and up the overall throughput and that would help with the "ignore the others".

  •  Hi Chris,

       Thank you for the reply. I am not tied to zigbee. I thought it would be nice to use because bluetooth and wi-fi in the 2.4GHz range are more complicated and widely used. SimplicTI would be fine with me. I did a little reading up on it and it seems a lot like zigbee. It supports a star network (which I need), enough devices, fast data rates (1Mbps with the CC2400), and with an amp I can get the range. The api to interface with the protocol is simple which is good but I'm worried it might be too simple. Is there any other info/big differences between SimplicTI and zigbee you can give me? Also I want to play around with it and see if I can send and receive some data. I am a student so I don't have a lot of money but what would you recommend for a dev/demo kit?

     Thanks,

    Tony

  • I would recommend asking on the software part of this forum as the designers of SimpliciTI are on here and can answer better than I could ever hope to answer.  As to documentation, http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/simpliciti.html should link you to most of the documentation for it.  As to demo kits, I would look at the 2500 kit and some of the programmers.  At $50 for the 2 nodes, you get a lot for your money.  They even throw in the batteries for the end node which to me makes it cool as you can fire up the basic network right out of the box.  Below is a link to the kit:

    http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/ez430-rf2500.html 

    From there you can get more of the nodes for pretty cheap.

  • Thanks Chris for the link.  I will ask the simplicTI guys.  Thanks for all your help.

  • No problem, glad to help, love to hear how the project turns out.

  • Hi,I am afraid I was puzzled a lot by Zigbee and other 2.4Ghz products.What's on earth the difference among them?Could you expatiate it for me?

    Thanks a lot

  • The basic difference is the PHY Physical Layer. A ZigBee Node uses the IEEE 802.15.4 standard which is based on DSSS Direct Sequence Spread Spectrum. Many other parts such our CC2500 using SimplciTI supports multiple modulation formats and is a FHSS - Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum device or node.  

    Check out Wiki as a great resource for ZigBee:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zigbee

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