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OPA2333P: Behaviour at high temperatures

Part Number: OPA2333P
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA2333-HT, OPA2333

Hi all,

Our team is working on a circuit involving the OPA2333P that is to be deployed in a very high temperature ambient environment. The circuit itself isn't very complex, it's a wheatstone bridge feeding into a diff amp.

As part of our testing, we have pushed this circuit to roughly155/160degC and it has failed, which is somewhat expected since we're pushing the OPA2333P beyond it's absolute max ratings in the datasheet. For various reasons, we expected the circuit to survive at 150degC and a little beyond and to prove it, we decided to do another experiment.

We configured the 2 opamps (in the one IC package) into simple voltage followers, each with their own biases, fed off the same power supply (circuit shown below). We tested this circuit at approximately 155degC for a few hours and the opamp has not failed. As a bit more info, all circuits were built on Veroboards with the actual Opamp IC soldered on to a small FR4 breakout board (due to it's tiny package).

Figure 1: voltage follower circuit (100nF caps are on the opamp power rails, just not shown in the circuit)

 

Is anyone able to shed light on this behaviour? What actually fails (on a semiconductor level) at this high temperature, and why is it failing in one instance and not in the other? 

Cheers,

Umair

  • In the failing circuit, how large is is the load on the outputs?

    Anyway, there is the OPA2333-HT.

  • Hi Umar,

    you just were lucky with the second circuit and not lucky with the first. You violate the absolute maximum ratings of 150°C maximum junction temperature and you massively violate the recommended operating conditions of 125°C maximum junction temperature. So if this shall be a reliable product, you should massively reduce the die temperature or take a special HT OPAmp.

    Also, keep in mind, that many ovens show a heavy temperature overshot before they are locked in regulation. A typical kitchen oven, for instance, can show up to 50°C overshot. So your OPAmp might see a temperature way higher than 160°C.

    Kai 

  • Hi Umar,

    As Clemens and Kai pointed out, you should have used OPA2333-HT under the test conditions. 

    With the operating conditions exceeded the OPA2333P datasheet's performance specification, I am unable to provide you with a reasonable explanation. I can only speculate that you may be lucky with the second test samples than the first, or the test chamber has lower temperature spot when the sample is placed (as Kai alluded to). The failure scenarios outside of OPA2333's datasheet specification is not a part of product guarantee. Some percentages of the samples may withstand at even higher temperature, and we have no ways to know because the high temperature test conditions are not being studied and measured in OPA2333P package.

    If you have additional questions, please let us know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

     

     

  • Thank you. What you've said here makes sense. We've now started testing with OPA2333-HT and no failures so far (and I don't expect there to be).

  • Hi Umair, 

    Great to hear that you are making progress. If you have additional questions, please let us know. 

    Best,

    Raymond