Other Parts Discussed in Thread: INA129, INA828
For INA129-EP, if I use single power (With Vs+ to 10V and Vs- to GND), can I connect REF to GND?
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Hi Xiang,
Thank you for your post, I can help you. It is recommended to connect REF to mid-supply because it will increase your output dynamic.
However, we have a calculator tool where you can enter your supplies, gain, reference and common mode voltage (VCM), and the calculator will let you know if you are operating linearly. For example, I chose the INA129, 10V single supply, 1V/V gain, 0 reference, and 5V VCM. The allowable differential voltage range is 0.8V to 55V to yield an output voltage of 0.8V to 6.55V:
You can download the calculator here: https://www.ti.com/tool/ANALOG-ENGINEER-CALC
Click on Amplifiers & Comparators -> and then click on INA VCM v VOUT:
Thank you
I have tried to use the tool, but I not succeed in entering the parameters. The Device name seems not be able to be selected. It always prompts the above message.
Your results seems that it is ok if Ref connects the GND. (the VCM is 5V)
Why the average of the 2 white lines is slightly above the green line? I think 2 white lines and the green line should have the same cross point.
Hi Xiang,
Why the average of the 2 white lines is slightly above the green line? I think 2 white lines and the green line should have the same cross point.
For an ideal instrumentation perhaps. Please note that the IN129 is no rail to rail OPAmp.
Kai
I don't think "IN129 is no rail to rail OPAmp" can explain "2 white lines is slightly above the green line"
no rail to rail means the the device will not perform good when approaching rail. The curve in the figure shows it the average of Vp (white line) and Vn (white line) is above VCM (I think it is REF) (green line) even when Vp Vn are close to 5V, VCM is 5V.
"No rail to rail" here means that the inputs and outputs of the three internal OPAmps go unevenly into saturation when approaching the supply rails:
Which would look for an ideal OPAmp like this:
Kai
Thank you.
Does the following figure means I should tie REF to 5V (1/2 of the supply power) or increase the gain so that the output is obviously larger than 0.8V? The output relative to V- (GND in this application) is 0.8V minimal? Is the following table the evidence?
Does the following figure mean the VIN- and VIN+ should not aproaching V+ and V-. Does the allowed range is listed in the following table? In the following table, the common does not mean (VIN- + VIN+)/2, but rather VIN- and VIN+, doesn't it?
In the tool I can not select device. It is grey. Is the VCM in the page the REF voltage?
However, if I choose another tab. It is ok to select device.
Hi Xiang,
Does the following figure means I should tie REF to 5V (1/2 of the supply power) or increase the gain so that the output is obviously larger than 0.8V? The output relative to V- (GND in this application) is 0.8V minimal? Is the following table the evidence?
Yes. But you don't need to connect midd-supply to the REF pin. Another suited potential could also do.
Does the following figure mean the VIN- and VIN+ should not aproaching V+ and V-. Does the allowed range is listed in the following table? In the following table, the common does not mean (VIN- + VIN+)/2, but rather VIN- and VIN+, doesn't it?
Yes.
In the tool I can not select device. It is grey.
It works for me:
Kai
Hi Xiang,
Can you try selecting a different device from the drop-down menu? Do you still get the same error if you try a part number like INA828 for instance?
Hi Xiang,
I did download the newest version.
I would remove the app and install from scratch.
Kai
I can not select device from the drop-down menu in the INA VCM vs Vout Tab. It is grey at the start.
I still get the same error, I think it may because the amplifier data is not loaded, even if I fill in.
Hi Maverick,
The link below is the latest Analog Engineer Calculated.
https://www.ti.com/tool/ANALOG-ENGINEER-CALC
https://www.ti.com.cn/tool/cn/ANALOG-ENGINEER-CALC?keyMatch=ANALOG%20ENGINEERS%20CALCULATOR
Note: it is possible that it has something to do with language setting. Anyway, I sent both English and Chinese link. I have been using the version in English.
Please uninstall the previous version, (I'd power cycle the PC/laptop after the GUI is uninstalled), and then install the new GUI.
I am not aware that the GUI has installation issues, and it should work fine with Windows 10 OS. Please let me know if you have further issues.
If you have further issues, please provide me with the design requirements and I will send you the simulation.
Best,
Raymond