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LM2903B: Output low to high transition

Part Number: LM2903B

Hi,

I'have a test circuit for LM2903B. 

VCC :3.3V (0.1uF decoupled)

IN- : Voltage reducing from 1.65V to 1.4V (in 15seconds)

IN+: 1.5VDC (Voltage divider from 3.3V)

OUT:2.2kohm pull-up from 3.3V

OUT: Load resistor 39k from Out pin to GND

OUT: No installed output capacitor

Hysteresis resistor: Not Installed

My output voltage starts from 0.051V to 0.4V and sudden change from 0.4V to 1.9V and 3.2V (with decresing +IN. pin)

1) How does the output voltage increase from 0.051 to 0.4V although IN- is bigger than IN+?

2) Why does output voltage increase slowly although IN+ is bigger than IN-?

3) Why is there a transition band from 0V to VCC?

Please, provide explanation in details.

  • With the open-collector output, the signal is pulled high only by the resistor.

    Figure 6-37 in the datasheet shows how the output should behave. Do you get a different curve?

  • Hi,

    Yes, rise time takes seconds. There is different questions at my message above.

  • Clemens 

    thanks as always for your support. 

    Gokhan

    sorry to hear about the problem. We’re on holiday break until Monday so we will review again on Monday. If you could include a scope shot of inputs, output and VCC, this will help us diagnose. You did a good job describing your circuit but an actual schematic is always nice. Hopefully you have a localized bypass capacitor for the comparator.

    Chuck 

  • Hi Gokhan,

    in such situations always replace the chip in question by a fresh one and check again. Also check the cabling.

    If the issue persists, think of output oscillations caused by hum, EMI or else being superimposed to the slowly varying DC voltage at the -input. Imagine that only the top of superimposed hum will make the comparator toggle. Then, when the DC level at the -input is slowly changing this would result in an output oscillation with a varying duty cycle, looking like a slowly varying DC voltage when being measured by a slow and averaging (!) DC voltmeter.

    You could additionally low pass filter the signal at the -input of comparator. Not to furtherly slow down the input signal but to remove noise and hum.

    But the best remedy is to add hysteresis. Keep in mind that comparators urgently need hysteresis when the input signal is very slowly changing. Never omit hystersis when the input signal is such slowly changing as in your case.

    Kai

  • Thanks Kai

    Good points and suggestions. 

    Chuck

  • Closing this post as we have not seen a response. Thanks.

    -Chi