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LM2907-N: 5V pulse train input

Part Number: LM2907-N

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Hello,

I'm a little unclear based on the datasheet if the LM2907 is the right part for my application. I'm working on a safety interlock system for a laser and I have to make sure enough coolant is moving through the laser tube to prevent it from overheating. To that end, I have a Hall effect flow sensor outputting a 0-5V square wave with frequency proportional to the rate of flow. I'm hoping to use the LM2907 to generate a voltage that can be compared to a reference voltage representing the minimum required flow rate. Can the LM2907 function with a Vcc of 5V? If I provide an input voltage of 2.5V from a voltage divider to the 14-pin version along with the Hall effect output, will that suffice for the internal comparator stage?

  • Hi Jeffrey,

    My suggestion is that you would need to measure temperature at the laser's heatsink interface and the measure the the flow rate of the coolant system, where the coolant is circulated through the cooling system. The temperature at the laser heat sink block should take the higher priority for the safety interlock system.

     The F-to-V simulation example is shown below. I would need additional requirements to complete the simulation.

    LM2917-14 flow rate F-V converter 06282024.TSC

    LM29x7 Comparison & FAQ Revised 04192024.pptx

    If you have other questions, please let us know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

  • Hi Raymond,

    So I don't know that I can directly measure the temperature of the laser (the coolant flows through a tube that surrounds the actual laser) but I do have a thermistor measuring the temperature of the coolant. I took a stab at the circuit based on my understanding of the datasheet. You can ignore K2 and the other named nets, plus J1 except for pin 6 which is where the Hall effect output comes in from. My thinking is that R4 and R5 will form a voltage divider (values to be determined through experimentation) that sets the minimum flow rate threshold, and by connecting the charge pump output to the negative input of the high-gain amplifier the relay (40mA coil current) will trip if the rate drops too low. Does this make sense or am I missing something?

  • Hi Jeffery,

    Since you are using low voltage in the application, you are limited to 14 pin package. Use the package without the internal 7.5Vdc Zener clamp. The input frequency signal in 8 pin LM2917 packages need to be above and below GND. 

    BTW, your Vs is on the load side, and the output voltage swing may not be able to reach 5Vout in full scale. 

    What is the max. input frequency? 10V to 12V may be better option for 5V F-V conversion (unless you are going to do less than 5V conversion).  

    Regarding to the coolant temperature. It will be good to measure the bulk temperature near the laser emitter (measure the metal tubing temperature), especially this is the high power laser application. The coolant temperature is important, but the trigger point should be the metal casing at the laser emitter, which should be the hottest part of coolant module.

    If you have other questions, please let me know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

  • Hi Raymond,

    My best estimate is that the highest frequency is only about 250Hz. And I'm fine with using a narrower output voltage range than 0-5V; I'm only trying to confirm if the frequency is above a specified threshold and throw an error if it isn't.

  • Hi Jeffrey,

    LM2917 can convert F-V up to 10kHz.  Since your Vcc is only 5Vdc, you have to adjust V, R1 and C1 to convert and meet the requirements

    The following circuit has 67Hz/V, which is about your application operating range. If you want to have a specific rpm error, you may have to use comparator to trigger an error for your circuit.  

    If you have other questions, please let me know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

  • Hi Raymond,

    That second part is the heart of my question. Since I'm using the 14-pin package, the positive input of the built-in comparator is not tied to the charge pump output. Can I connect the charge pump output to the negative comparator input and use a voltage divider to put a constant threshold voltage on the positive input, so that current flows through the output transistor (tripping the relay and opening the interlock) when the F-to-V voltage is below the threshold? Or do I need to add an external comparator?

  • Hi Jeffery,

    Can I connect the charge pump output to the negative comparator input and use a voltage divider

    The LM2917 is built in with flexible IC blocks. I think that you want to do something similar to the image below. If you have the proper input signal comparisons at the comparator, it should work. 

    https://www.ti.com/lit/an/snaa088/snaa088.pdf?ts=1720981937243

    If you have other questions, please let me know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

  • Perfect. Thank you!