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LM2903B-Q1: Output state confirmation when above input voltage range

Part Number: LM2903B-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LM393LV-Q1

Tool/software:

Hi team,

My customers are using LM2903BQDRQ1 in an use case with above input voltage range, I have read this AN Application Design Guidelines for LM339, LM393, TL331 Family Comparators Including the New B-versions (Rev. E) and need to double confirm with you about my understandings:

Customers use case:  LM2903BQDRQ1 (not confirmed if pre or post PCN version)  Vcc=5V, one of the input voltage range is 3.8V/4.2V as threshold of comparator, another input is changing from 0V to 4.8V. In this case,  there is some time that both input will above the Vcc-2V range mentioned in datasheet. So according to the AN, pls help check my understanding and the questions below:

1. If the second input is below Vcc-2V=3V, then LM2903B-Q1 can work normally but with a longer latency?

2. If the second input is from 3V to 4.8V, then LM2903B-Q1, the outputs will follow the table 3-1 in application note (high for pre PCN device and low for post PCN device)? In this case will the comparator outputs not be triggered to change when the second input is passing the threshold set by first input (3.8V/4.2V), am I understanding this correctly?

3. This problem was found by customers because they added input capacitors two both inputs of one channel comparator, before that even with the above inputs the comparator worked normally. Could you also help on explaining that why it can still work normally without input capacitors? What could input capacitors impact in this case?

BR,

Manu

  • 1. Correct.

    2. Yes; when both inputs are too high, their precise voltages cannot be read by the device.

    3. The behaviour near the threshold depends on the temperature and on the analog characteristics of the components. I'd guess that faster edges (and maybe some ringing caused by that) was enough to make the comparator switch.

    The customer should use the LM393LV-Q1 (LM393LVQDRQ1) with rail-to-rail inputs.

  • Hello Manu,

    For #3, How large were the capacitors? And did that channel have Hysteresis feedback (large resistor or small capacitor between the +IN and output)?. Can you provide a schematic?

    The "B" devices have just started to ship with the new TiB die with the "fix" (section 6.2).

    If the label "CCO" is "CHN", then it is original Ji3 die. If the CCO field is "USA" - then it is the new TiB version.

    They could try placing a known "original B" (CHN) device in the socket to see if it is the comparator or the capacitor addition.

  • But as Clemens stated, you would be better off with the LM393LV-Q1 and not worry about the VCC-2V limitation.