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LMV796: fast response for current detect solution of TI

Part Number: LMV796

Dear TI:
     My customer need a solution to monitor IGBT current, they want to keep the time from detecting the current to turning off IGBT within 5us. The purpose is when detect IGBT short, the circuit can quickly respond and turn off the IGBT. 

     What kind of OPA can meet the requirement of customer? Or is there another solution for the customer's application. Can you provide the solution reference schematic?

     Thanks!

    

  • Eric,

    If the only measurement was short detection, then I would suggest a comparator instead. Digital output

    For an op amp (analog output), use a difference amp setup. Add a Vref DC input so that op amp output is not at zero with no current sensed. This is to prevent overload recovery time delay. It's small but a unnecessary delay. Keep the bandwidth high; very small feedback cap value.

    What is the supply voltage value? Is the sense low side (near ground)? What is the normal sense voltage range? What is the threshold voltage for over current / short? Do you have a amplifier gain in mind?
    With these questions answered, I can suggest a circuit component values.

    Diff amp cookbook note

  • Dear Ronald:

       Thanks for your reply!

        Questions answered for you:

        What is the supply voltage value?    280V-460V

        Is the sense low side (near ground)?   Low side, near ground.

        What is the normal sense voltage range?     0A-80A

        What is the threshold voltage for over current / short?  Threshold: over voltage 30A,  short 60A

        Do you have a amplifier gain in mind?  no idea, help to design.

        Customer system block for you:

  • Eric,

    By supply voltage, I meant supply voltage for op amp which can be same as supply for microcontroller. perhaps, 1.8V, 3.3V, 5V?

    I see your sense current ranges but Rs is unknown. Sense voltage should be greater than 10X offset error in op amp. 10 * 1.65mV = 16.5mV.  16.5mV / 30A = 0.55m-ohm. round up to 0.001 ohm or more for Rs.  

    Kelvin sense at sense resistor is critical. For micro control input : is this a ADC input or comparator input? Two resistors on non-inverting input so that zero current runs about 100mV at op amp output.  

    I'll chose a gain once op amp supply voltage is known.

  • Eric,

    Here is a solution with fastest response time, well under 5us. It also amplifies transient noise so the 0pF caps can be increased if needed.

    VF1 (out) = 0.1V + 48.47*(IG1)* Rs  ; 0.1V = 3.063% of Vs

    DC simulation.

    AC response time

    LMV796 Tina.TSC

  • Hi Ronald:
    Thanks!
    Still three quetions need you help:
    1,Can you help to supply the value of C20 and C10?
    2, If LMV796 output connected to a comparator, and the comparator output to control the IGBT on/off, is it faster than LMV796 output to MCU ADC?
    3,My customer used LMV796 for automotive application, are there any other considerations?

    Regards
    Eric Shen
  • Eric,

    1) Actually it is C1 and C2 that have a value of zero (not populated). Depending the the noise transients in the system, caps might be needed.
    2) For fast response don't count on MCU ADC. The signal needs to stop the IGBT via comparator and hardware directly. It may also work for comparator and MCU non-maskable interrupt input (but that will add some processing delay).
    3) Use LMV796-Q1 for automotive projects.
  • Hi Ronald:
    Thanks a lot!

    Regards.
    Thanks!