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LMV331: Thermal calculation method

Part Number: LMV331
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: , LMV393-Q1,

Hi team,

We would like to estimate the junction temperature of the device in our design.

I understand that it is necessary to actually create a board and measure it because it depends on the system, but I would like to make a rough estimate when deciding how much care should be taken.

I understand from the data sheet that the supply current is sufficiently small, less than 150uA.

however, I think that the output sink current also affects in practice.

I do not know how to consider this sink current.

Could you tell me how to calculate this, for example, a formula?

Or, as this is a momentary current, can we think that the impact is small enough?

Best regards,

Tomoaki Yoshida

  • Hello Tomoaki,

    Which package are you using? This is very important. Is this the LMV331 or LMV331-N (ex National version?)

    Any power dissipated by the die will raise the die temperature above the ambient.

    You need to find the total power dissapated in watts. P=I*V. This includes the comparator quiescent current and the load current.

    So if the quiescent current of the LMV331 is 150uA, and you have a 5V supply:

     150uA * 5V = 750uW

    So that is 750uW for just the comparator supply current alone.

    Load current will also cause dissipation. Load current dissipation is calculated from the voltage across the output and the load current.

    So if you have a 10mA load current, the voltage drop will be about 280mV (from Fig 3 of the LM331-N Datasheet):

     10mA * 280mV = 2.8mW

    Total power dissipation is 750uW + 2.8mW = 3.55mW

    To find the temperature rise, you multiply the power dissipation by the package thermal resistance.

    So assuming the worst-case SC-70 (DCK) thermal resistance of 478°C/W:

     3.55mW * 478 = 1.7°C

    So the total power dissipation the die to increase in temperature just 1.7°C over the ambient temperature.

    The assumption with low power devices like comparators and op-amps is Ta ~= Tj. So if the ambient temp is 35°C, the die temp would be 36.7°C.

    If the load was 50mA, this would result in a 19.1°C rise over ambient (or 54.2°C). So the load makes the biggest difference.

    The above is also assuming continuous dissipation. If you had a 10% sinking duty cycle, then the output power would only be 10% (but you still have to stay within abs-max current).

    If this were a multi-channel device (dual/quad), then the supply current for all the comparators and all the loads must be combined.

    For more info about package thermals, please see the Packaging Appnotes section:

     http://www.ti.com/support-packaging/packaging-resources/SMT-and-application-notes.html#image

  • Hi Paul-san,

    Thank you for your support.
    We are examining the DBV package of LMV331-Q1 and D package of LMV393-Q1.
    Actually, there is a gap between the ambient temperature and the substrate temperature, so I'm glad to know θjc.

    I understand that load current is dominant.
    It may be necessary to include 100% of the load's power, as it may remain high or low for a long time.

    First, consider how much temperature rise is expected.

    Best regards,
    Tomoaki Yoshida