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PSpice model for TLE2141

Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TLE2141, TLE2141A

 

Dear Customer Support,

 

I have two questions about PSpice model of TLE2141.

 

http://www.tij.co.jp/product/jp/TLE2141-Q1/toolssoftware

⇒TLE2141, TLE2141A PSpice Model

 

1.)

"sloj118.zip" which we download from TI website includes 4 models(TLE2141.5_1 / TLE2141.5_2 / TLE2141.301 / TLE2141.302).

What's the difference between four models?

What model should we use for TLE2141 Simulation?

 

2.)

"tle2141readme.txt" shows below comments.

But I can't understand the meaning of 'Level' and 'Model'.

 

Does 'Model' show the difference TLE2141 and TLE2141A?

What is 'Level'? Voltage? But 5V and 30V are same Level 1(or Level 2) below readme.

 

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tle2141.5_1     (5V)Single, High Speed, Single Supply - Level 1 Model   1       TLE2141 Operational Amplifier "Macromodel" Subcircuit

tle2141.301     (30V)Single, High Speed, Single Supply - Level 1 Model  1       TLE2141 Operational Amplifier "Macromodel" Subcircuit

tle2141.5_2     (5V)Single, High Speed, Single Supply - Level 2 Model   2       TLE2141 Operational Amplifier "Macromodel" Subcircuit

tle2141.302     (30V)Single, High Speed, Single Supply - Level 2 Model  2       TLE2141 Operational Amplifier "Macromodel" Subcircuit

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Best Regards,

y.i

  • Hello y.i.,

    The basic TLE2141 op amp model was developed in 1990, which makes it quite dated. Simulation models developed in that era were not very sophisticated, but advances in circuit modeling and models were being made at the time. The result was a particular op amp might have several simulation model versions optimized for a certain operating condition, or to take advantage of a different internal architecture that modeled some parameters more closely. That is the case for the different TLE2141 models.

    When you opened the tle2141readme.txt file it provided a brief explanation about each of the four different TLE2141 models. The first two are optimized for +5 V supply operation. The last two are optimized for +/-15 V operation. Then, each supply grouping has a Level 1, or Level 2, model. I that has to do with the model type. I don't know for certain, but I think the Level 1 uses the Scichman-Hodges model, and level 2 uses a geometry-based, analytic model. Even if that is correct I am not enough of a model guru to tell you what that means, or implies. What I do know from experience is that I usually don't see much difference in the simulation results when I use one, or the other level of model.

    Use a model that comes closest to your application's supply voltage; either one of the +5 V models, or one of the +/-15 V models. When I encounter the Level 1, or Level 2 issue, I tend to use the latter. I don't think you will see much difference in the simulation results between the two.

    Regards, Thomas

    PA - Linear Applications Engineering

  • Hi Thomas,

    Thank you for your answer. I understand your comments.

    May I understand that Leve2 is more accurate than Leve1 in general recognition? Because if possible, I want to show the reason why we recommend to use level2 model to the customer. I find the description of the difference between Shichman-Hodges(Level1) and geometry-based(Level2) on website. Unfortunately, this doc is only Japanese language. www.tij.co.jp/.../jaja482.pdf

    Page.14 shows following. It seems that Leve2 is more accurate than Level1. It may not be different in the simulation results between the two practically (your opinion).

    ■Table 1.2.8

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    LEVEL = 1 シックマン・ホッジス モデル (平均2乗特性によるV-I 特性)

    LEVEL = 2 短チャネルデバイス効果を考慮したLEVEL=1 の精密解

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    "シックマン・ホッジス モデル" means Shichman-Hodges Model

    "精密" means accurate

    Best Regards,

    y.i

  • Hello y.i.,

    On-line information indicates that the common use of Level 1 and Level 2 in models refers to the type of MOSFETs a simulation model uses; the Shichman-Hodges, or analytic model. But when I review the Spice syntax inside text listings for the TLE2141 Level 1 and Level 2 models I am not finding any MOSFETs.  Therefore, I now think the Level 1 and Level 2 designations have a different meaning in this case.  

    I recognize that the Level 1 model is the common Boyle Model, a behavioral model used for operational amplifiers. It was in common usage during the time when the TLE2141 was developed. Here's some information about it:

    http://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/analogwire/archive/2013/12/23/what-s-the-difference-between-macro-models-and-behavioral-models

    http://www.ti.com/lit/an/sboa027/sboa027.pdf

    The Level 2 model does look to be the Boyle model too, but with more of the amplifier's behaviors modeled. There are additonal lines of code indicating voltage-controlled current sources, and current-controlled current sources, that the Level 1 model doesn't include. I think their purpose might be to better model the CMR and PSRR behaviors of the TLE2141, but I am not certain. 

    I am not an expert on the Boyle Model details. If you need more understanding about the model differences between these two models, the modeling Engineers monitoring TI's Webench Tools E2E forum might be able provide that information. They have in-depth understandings of model architectures.

    Regards, Thomas

    PA - Linear Applications Engineering