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LM6171

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I am used to using all discrete components and one of my main engineers when starting this project spoke about this IC as if it has almost mythical properties.  Well after seeing all the ways it can be used and studying the topography and white pages, i can see why.  I ended up buying a ton of them and he told me that there is a way to use it as a line in, biased A prior to the VAS stage.  Basically the power to the chip will be coming in via the preamp so try and think of it not as an opamp as much as an discrete circuit.  I believed the white pages showed a capacitor on the pos and neg rails in and out of it, but i could have sworn rick said something about bootstrapping a 4.7k resistor to the v in and v out. i would rather not have to use another DC rail to power this or a step down transformer since it will not have the gain to drive much but maybe another chip possibly using an opt as a driver for my output transistors - being fully linear and fully differential, as well as possibly using it as a servo for DC zero neg feedback makes it interesting.  Can someone help me brain storm about the best way to implement this? i do have additional windings on my toroid for 12 and 18v - if anything like the slew rate in compromised because of lack of power i am we can sure a number of things out.  I am looking to minimize parts and improve the design, speed up build time, minimize biasing time and until recently I have not seen the value of an IC for true analog solid state amp designs - the output transistors are LFETS.  I am currently getting .005 THD on my all discrete design, and it is unconditionally stable at 4 ohms and 2 ohm stable.  It is an over built design for sure but it is solid - I would like to use an IC (preferably the lm6171 because its fully linear, fully differential and fast) for the input and zero neg feedback biasing if possible from 1 chip.

  • Hi Jared

    I'm going to check this and I'll come back to you as soon as possible with more information.

    Best regards
    José Luis Figueroa
    Audio Applications Engineer
  • Hi Jared

    Could you please provide us a schematic of your application to give you better support?

    Best regards
    José Luis Figueroa
    Audio Applications Engineer | A-Team
  • I do not mind changing the design as i have been building them point to point and ordering small quantities of boards for testing as long as the output devices are LFETs (Exicon is the supplier).  I do not what to post a schematic online as we do things a little differently with bootstrapping the LFETS a certain way as well as a different way of implementing a bias spreader for the input for zero offset biasing.  I am happy with the discrete design and they will be solid with minimal if any changes - for some reason people pay top dollar for all solid state but once you tell them a chip is in it, value drops and profits do also.   

    My toroid supplier will make them anyway i need and at a bargain price - my current solid state ones have 55/55 12/12/ and 18/18 secondaries - i can sell them on eBay all day double up on them alone.  Speed, linearity and fully differential, minimal part count, stability are main and dc servo biasing or other self biasing are a secondary concern (fidelity is paramount ) Perhaps we use 3 cascaded 6171 powered at 15v that will work as a dc servo and bias the zero offset, then ok the OPA will give me 70/70 which may not be enough to get me to 500 watts using the exicon LFETs, 78v rails all solid state kicked up from 55 v gets me 500 watts.  are these forums public BTW? 2 or 3 opas can probably be run where i can put the full 140 on one pos and 140 on neg and still have a ground for signal to travel.  Linear has a LM6090 i think that does 140pos/neg but this would in essence do the same...but i love the 6171 and opa line.

  • Hi,

    I'm trying to jump-in and see if I can add any information, but without having a schematic I feel pretty baffled!

    If there is anyway you can share a simplified schematic, here is my TI email address:

    hooman.hashemi@ti.com

    Of course, there is the implied guarantee that your schematic will not be shared / posted.

    Regards,

    Hooman

  • i will have to draw one up.  i have a few questions about video projection in HD as well, who would be good to email with about that?

  • Hi Jared,
    Please go ahead and forward all your schematics to that same TI email I provided and I'll forward it (internally only) as needed.

    Regards,
    Hooman