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THS3091: Distortion performance

Part Number: THS3091
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TIDA-00684

I intend to use two THS3091 in a current sharing arrangement, operating from +/-15V to generate signals of up to 20Vpk-pk on 100Ohm (10Vpk-pk after 50 Ohm termination). Ideally I would like to be able to simulate the linearity performance under various conditions, but apparently the PSpice model is not accurate in that regards. The datasheet of the THS3091 seems to have some erroneous graphs, as they seem to be inconsistent among themselves: according to figure13 and 14, at 8MHz with 20Vpk-pk on 100Ohm with gain x5, HD2 and HD3 should be about -56dBc and -62dBc, whereas according to figure 16 it is less than -40dBc under same conditions. figure 15 similarly also does not agree with figures 13 and 14, although to a lesser degree. The figure for THD on the first page of the datasheet does seem to be inline with figures 13&14, though.

1. Can you confirm that figures 13&14 are correct, while 15&16 are not?

2. for connecting two THS3091 together, most of your applications notes and datasheet show this with a configuration of two 100Ohms connected together and to the external 50Ohm load (for example see figure 3 in SBOA127). However, in TSW3080 TIDA-00684, for channel 2, you have chosen instead to use two 20Ohm resistors instead with an additional 40Ohm series resistor. Although in theory both circuits seem equivalent, choosing two 100Ohm resistors has a practical advantage in that mismatches in Voffset between the two amplifiers will have less fighting to do between them. Is there any benefit to using the configuration of TSW3080?

Thanks,

Uri

  • Hi Uri,

    1. Figures 15 and 16 have no information on performance at 8 MHz. The curves there are for a 1MHz signal.

    2. I am checking my notes on why we did that. I will get back to you with regards to this question. But I do agree at 1st glance maximum isolation between the two amplifiers seems to be optimal.

    -Samir
  • Hi Samir,

    Thanks for you reply.

    Strange, the data sheet I look at has figure 15 refer to 1MHz, figure 16 refer to 8MHz. Both opearing points can be located on figures 13 and 14 at the appropriate frequency points. I mentioned the 8MHz frequency point because it is closer to where I am interested in, and also the mismatch at 8MHz with regards to figures 13 and 14 is more significant than that of figure 15 at 1MHz. Can you have a second look at the datasheet?

    Thanks,

    Uri

  • Hello Uri,
    You are correct, I only looked at Fig 15 and not Figure 16. I know we took some recent distortion measurements on the THS3091. I will look at that and send you the graphs later today. I apologize for the confusion.

    With regards to the load sharing resistors, I am unable to find my notes on why we went to this alternate configuration. Please stick to the original config. for now. (two 100 ohms in parallel).

    -Samir
  • Hello Uri,

      We did not repeat the 20Vpp, but here are the 2Vpp and 10Vpp numbers for the THS3091, G= 5 and Rload = 100ohms

  • Thanks, Samir, for the additional info.

    So with this latest data we have three different graphs we can compare to, at 8MHz with Rf=1K, G=5, 10Vpp and 100Ohm:

    From the latest data, at these conditions, the HD2 is -50dBc, HD3 is -64dBc.

    According to figures 13&14 in the datasheet, HD2 is -62dBc, HD3 is -72dBc.

    According to figure 16 in the datasheet, HD2 is -65dBc, HD3 is -73dBc.

    So, for this particular operating point, the datasheet performance from figures 13&14 is similar to that of figure 16, but quite significantly better than the latest figure would suggest.

    Unfortunately for me, I am mostly interested in the performance at 20Vpp and at higher frequencies, and as I pointed out the figures in the datasheet are inconsistent at 8MHz, the highest frequency at which they can be compared.

    Given the large inconsistency of the distortion performance of the THS3091 at G=5, 100Ohm, 20Vpp, is there any chance that TI would conduct a definitive test of HD2, HD3 against frequency?

    Thanks,

    Uri

  •  Uri,

    It turns out that the data I sent you earlier was for the THS3091 in a standard D package, not DDA. The DDA has a thermal pad which helps in improving the amplifier performance. I remeasured the data for a DDA package for 2Vpp/10Vpp & 20Vpp in a gain of 5. Results are attached.

    -Samir

  • Excellent, that is exactly what I was looking for - thanks!

    Uri