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TLV3012: Instability on power on

TLV3012: outputs glitch/spur during slow power up

Jerry Chen
Expert 5110 points
Part Number: TLV3012

Hi there,

Below is the schematic and waveform of TLV3012. Blue is 3.3V power supply, yellow is REG20_VOUT input to IN+, green is OUT. It seems, if the power up slope is slow, TLV3012 would output some glitch/spur in the output. Do we have any P2P substitution which doesn't have this operation?

Thanks.

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    TI__Mastermind 23395 points

    Jerry

    I’m familiar with what you’re observing. Unfortunately the tlv3012 has something in its startup sequence that causes that glitch. Unfortunately I do not have anything that is pin compatible but our tlv4041r1 is functionally similar and does not suffer from this startup glitch since it has a POR circuit that controls the comparator output as the supply ramps up. In this device, the output is held low until power reaches the operating range. By next year the tlv4041r1 will also be available in a SOT23 package but for now you can evaluate on our little EVM which is a DIP breakout board that is easy to prototype with.

    Chuck

  • 0 in reply to Chuck Sins
    TI__Expert 5110 points

    Hi Chuck,

    Is there any way to reduce it? Increase the rising edge slope of the power supply?

    Thanks.

  • 0 in reply to Jerry Chen
    TI__Mastermind 23395 points

    Jerry

    From my recollection, it was always about 6us wide regardless of ramp rate.  It was just easier to capture when the ramp rate was slower.

    Chuck

  • 0 in reply to Chuck Sins
    Guru 140200 points

    This strange behaviour should be mentioned in the datasheet, I think.

    Kai

  • 0 in reply to kai klaas69
    TI__Mastermind 23395 points

    That's a fair suggestion, we will consider adding that on our next revision of the datasheet.  For most applications, the glitch is occurring outside of the recommended operating voltage range.  While it is true that we have noticed this behavior, we do not have extensive data that characterizes this startup behavior.  The main reason for adding the content would be to prevent someone from using this device in applications that require a known startup condition that can only come from devices such as TLV70x1 and TLV40x1 that have an integrated power on reset circuit.

    Chuck

  • 0 in reply to Chuck Sins
    Guru 140200 points

    Hi Chuck,

    I wouldn't characterize or specify the glitch, but only mention that a glitch can occur during power-up in certain situations. Then the designer is warned and will not run into unpleasant surprise.

    Kai

  • 0 in reply to kai klaas69
    TI__Mastermind 23395 points

    Fair suggestion.

    thanks Kai

    Chuck