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OPA549-HIREL: Query on Theta JC

Part Number: OPA549-HIREL
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA541

Hi sir,

I note that the OPA549-HIREL data sheet specifies the thermal resistance Junction to case as 0.1C/W

But the standard OPA549T part having 1.4 C/W.

I would like to ask if this is correct due to large difference.

If this is correct the lower thermal resistance would be a significant advantage. 

I remember seeing some time ago a comment for one of the other power amplifiers TI makes (OPA541?)

that said there was an error in the data sheet regarding the thermal resistance (which was also 0.1C/W), but I cannot find the link.

Hence my question above.

Waiting your feedback.

Thank u.

  • Hi Mark,

    Even though both the Hi-Rel and standard part share the same package, I'm inclined to trust the Hi-Rel datasheet for this parameter, for a number of reasons.

    1. The Hi-Rel datasheet is more recent, and includes an updated copy of the section of the old Burr-Brown datasheet where an example heat sink thermal resistance is calculated. In the updated example, 0.1 C/W is substituted for θJC, replacing the original 1.4 C/W θJC term from the standard/Burr-Brown datasheet. Compare page 11 in the standard datasheet with page 16 in the Hi-Rel datasheet.

    2. The standard datasheet only lists θJC, rather than θJCtop and θJCbot. This has me inclined to believe that the original testing to determine this parameter was not done under the same conditions as the cold-plate testing used to characterize the Hi-Rel part. Note that the Hi-Rel datasheet lists a parameter ψJT, a thermal metric that characterizes the application environment of the package, as 1.5 C/W. This is remarkably close to the 1.4 C/W reported for θJC in the standard datasheet. See this link for a more in-depth explanation of what these different parameters mean.

    My theory is the 0.1 C/W θJCbot value is more accurate for modelling the thermal response of the amplifier than the old 1.4 C/W θJC value, having been measured more accurately during the characterization of the Hi-Rel part. I will make some inquiries and try to find some more historical information about this part and its thermal testing history.

    Cheers,

    Jon

  • Hey Mark,

    After some further investigation it appears as though the HiRel part makes use of a different, lower thermal resistance process compared to the original die. Also, the qualification of the two devices occurred many years apart and significantly different methods were used. Therefore, it's a combination of the HiRel part being inherently better than the standard part, and the different testing methodologies used. Hope this answers your question!

    Cheers,

    Jon

  • Hi Jon,

    Thank you very much for your response.

    I would like to seek a bit more clarity on a couple of points if I may.
    1) The hi-rel. part note 7 (page 3) states that the Rj-c was simulated. Does this mean measured using the cold plate method or simulated using a computer model?
    2) Do you think the original OPA549T part will still have a better thermal resistance than stated in the data sheet or is the hi-rel different package just that much better? I was planning on using the T lead format but now i am considering changing to the S type. I suppose that is a difficult question to answer due to the use of different packages.
    Thank you in advance.

  • Hi Mark,

    1.) After discussion with a colleague, it seems as though the HiRel θJC value was likely derived from simulation/modelling of that cold plate test rather than empirically. This is the general procedure that is used to measure this parameter:

    • An IC package normally containing a thermal test chip is mounted on a test PCB. This is normally a JEDEC-defined low-k 1s0p PCB which has low copper content to minimize heat loss though the PCB.
    • The package is pressure fit to a Cu cold plate (a copper block with circulating constant temperature fluid) with the leads facing up and the case against the cold plate when the top of the case is to be measured. Otherwise, a Cu cold plate contact to the bottom of the package is provided through the PCB when the primary cooling path of the package is through a soldered plate into the PCB.
    • Silicone thermal grease or other thermal interface material provides thermal coupling between the cold plate and package.
    • Insulation is provided around the test coupon to minimize parasitic heat loss.
    • Power is applied to the device.
    • The junction temperature of the test chip is measured. 
    • The temperature of the package surface in contact with the cold plate is measured by a thermocouple or other temperature sensor pressed against this surface.
    • RθJC is calculated by dividing the measured temperature delta by the dissipated power.

    This scenario would be simulated and θJC derived from the result. The reliability report mentions a qualification of the thermal resistance of the part, but only θJA is specifically called out, so I cannot confirm that the θJC element was empirically measured as part of this procedure. I will mention however that a simulated cold plate will of course be more "ideal" than a real-world water-cooled cold plate.

    2.) From my knowledge of the parts, it would seem that while the T/S parts could very well have slightly better thermal conductivity than the 1.4 C/W specified in their datasheet, I would not expect to achieve the 0.1 C/W thermal conductivity associated with the HiRel part. The modified process is definitely the primary contributor to this improvement, with the better testing/simulation playing a secondary role, but without having detailed simulation results for the T/S parts it's difficult to compare apples-to-apples here. My perspective is that your typical θJC will be better than the 1.4 C/W value, but from a process corner perspective, I would still use this 1.4 C/W value when calculating potential heatsink sizing, max power dissipation, etc just to be safe. If thermal conductivity is a significant concern I would definitely advise the use of a heatsink with the non HiRel parts as described on page 11 of that datasheet. Unfortunately I don't have enough hands-on experience with this part to comment on the merits of the T package vs S package.

    Hope this helps,

    Jon

  • Hi Jon,

    Thanks a lot for your patient answers.

    I really appreciate your strong support.

    have a good day.

    Bye.