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OPA2335: Input terminal impedance and capacitance connected to the output

Part Number: OPA2335
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA2355

Dear TI team,

I would like to ask about Input impedance and capacitance connected to the output.

1. What is the impedance value of each input terminal (+ pin, ₋ pin) and its deviation?
2. Is there a recommended value for the capacity connected to the OPA2335?
(How much capacity should be kept below, etc.)

Best Regards,

Y.Ottey

  • Hi Y.Ottey,

    on page 4 of datasheet you see the input bias current versus common mode input voltage:

    For the 25°C curve the input bias current changes from about 100pA to 50pA when changing the common mode input voltage from 0V to 3.5V. This gives a input impedance of about R = dU / dI = 3.5V / 50pA = 70GOhm.

    Regarding the maximum load capacitance of an OPAmp you should read this document:

    1334 Stability 4 - slides.pdf

    It says that the overshoot should be no more than about 20% for a minimum stable phase margin of 45°.

    On page 6 of datasheet you see the small-signal overshoot versus load capacitance:

    So you see that the load capacitance should be under 200pF.

    Higher capacitive loads should be isolated from the output of OPAmp by the help of an isolation resistor. But in this case I would recommend to run a phase stability analysis. Watch the TI's stability training dideos to see how this can be done:

    Kai

  • Dear kai

    Thank you for your reply.

    I understand your opinion.

    Regards,

    Y.Ottey

  • Dear TI team,

    I have a question for you about the contents described by Mr. kai.

    ① It is possible to calculate that the input impedance is 70 Gohm, but what is the variation (deviation) in the input impedance?

    ② There was the following description from kai.

    ”It says that the overshoot should be no more than about 20% for a minimum stable phase margin of 45°.”
    When considering the capacity load of the OPA2355, should I generally consider the above contents?

    Please tell us your opinion.

    Best Regards,

    Y.Ottey

  • Dear TI team,

    I have received a request from one of our customers for a quick response.
    I would be happy to answer any additional questions I posted as soon as possible.

    Also, regarding output capacitance (CL), if there is a recommended value, I would like to know additional information.

    Regards,

    Y.Ottey

  • Hi Y.Ottey,

    it's difficult to better help without a schematic and further details?

    What input impedance is the customer looking for? And what load capacitance the customer intends to mount?

    Kai

  • Dear kai and TI Team,

    Our customer plans to connect the following damping resistor (RL) and load capacitance (CL) to OPA2335.
    CL=100Ω
    RL=1 μF

    In this case, is there a possibility that output oscillation may occur?

    Dear TI Team,

    I have been asked by our customer to receive a response from a TI engineer on the above.

    Could you also tell us about the question you posted earlier?

    ① It is possible to calculate that the input impedance is 70 Gohm, but what is the variation (deviation) in the input impedance?

    ② There was the following description from kai.

    ”It says that the overshoot should be no more than about 20% for a minimum stable phase margin of 45°.”
    When considering the capacity load of the OPA2355, should I generally consider the above contents?

    Regards,

    Y.Ottey

  • Hi Y.Ottey,

    looks stable in the circuits below:

    ottey_opa2335.TSC

    But take care: The two circuits were chosen by me because you didn't give your schematic.

    Kai

  • Hi Y.Ottey,

    as minimum input impedance at 25°C (worst case) I would estimate R = dU / dI = 3.5V / 400pA ~ 10GOhm.

    Kai

  • Y.Ottey,

    Please see my asnwer below:

    1. What is the impedance value of each input terminal (+ pin, ₋ pin) and its deviation?

    As Kai calculated, a typical common-mode input resistance at 25C is 70Gohm (Rin_cm=3.5V/50pA) and its variation with process may be estimated based on its 200pA maximum IB to be:(70pA/200pA)*70G = 25Gohm.  However, at 125C the typical IB increases to 1nA and the typical Rin_cm=~7Gohm (3.5V/500pA).


    2. Is there a recommended value for the capacity connected to the OPA2335?
    (How much capacity should be kept below, etc.)

    OPA2335 can drive directly in gain=1 200pF-250pF (allowing only 25% overshoot) - see green arrow in the graph below.  But the stability of the circuit is a function of close-loop gain and can be greatly improved with addition of the Riso resistor between the output and capacitve load; thus it is impossible to tell you what OPA2335 can drive without seeing your customer configuration:

    Please refer your customer to TI precision labs training website: https://training.ti.com/node/1138805?context=1139747-1139745-14685-1138805

    Having said that the worst stability usually occurs in a buffer configuration (G=1).   With 100ohm series output resistor and 1uF load, OPA2335 shows 76 degrees phase margin - see below.  Thus, the circuit is stable.

    You may also varify the stability of the circuit by simulating transient small-signal overshoot - see below. The circuit shows just 15% overshoot (3mV/20mV) and thus is very stable.