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INA1650-Q1: INA1650 implemented as balanced line driver, from single ended input. Single power supply (plus INA1651 implemented as balanced line receiver)

Part Number: INA1650-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: INA1650, INA1651

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Good afternoon, I'm in the process to add balanced input and output to a tube hifi preamplifier I'm designing, as part of a new commercial product development.

First question is related to the output, i.e. to the INA1650 which converts from single ended to balanced. I'm starting from the picture reported in the datasheet (figure 62, section 8.2.6):

Here the first questions please:

  • I'd like to have your confirmation, if it's possible to power the INA1650 with single supply in this case, connecting Vee to Gnd, and utilizing the internal 1/2 reference, as reported in another section of the datasheet
  • Max power voltage is 36 Volt, right ?
  • If I understood correctly, the max swing for each output is more or less (load impedance greater than 2Kohm) 29 Volt, right ? i.e. something like 10 VRMS on each leg x 2 (i.e. 10VRMS max at the single ended input)
  • Is the high input impedance kept even in this configuration ? This is one of the great plus of INA1650 vs. other similar devices.

Then, - thanks for your patience - I've one question about the input stage, which I plan to deploy around INA1651 (from balanced input to single ended), just one section only:

Again, single 36Volt supply. My question is again about the max output swing in those conditions: is it fair to estimate it's the same 29Volt, i.e. 10VRMS ? Which I guess means 5VRMS max on each input.

  • Hello Matteo,

    • I'd like to have your confirmation, if it's possible to power the INA1650 with single supply in this case, connecting Vee to Gnd, and utilizing the internal 1/2 reference, as reported in another section of the datasheet
    • Max power voltage is 36 Volt, right ?
    • If I understood correctly, the max swing for each output is more or less (load impedance greater than 2Kohm) 29 Volt, right ? i.e. something like 10 VRMS on each leg x 2 (i.e. 10VRMS max at the single ended input)
    • Is the high input impedance kept even in this configuration ? This is one of the great plus of INA1650 vs. other similar devices.

    The max. recommended single supply rail for INA1650 is 36Vdc. The the IC is biased in the mid rail or 18Vdc, which it will maximize the output voltage swing. 

    With 29Vdc single supply rail, the mid point is 14.5Vdc. No, it is unable to support load impedance up to 2kohm with 10Vrms output swing (14.14Vpk or 28.3Vpp). You do not have the adequate overhead voltage + design margins for the output swing. 

    I would recommend to increase the supply rail, since you need to take into account output swing from rail + design margin + temperature effects etc.. 

    Again, single 36Volt supply. My question is again about the max output swing in those conditions: is it fair to estimate it's the same 29Volt, i.e. 10VRMS ? Which I guess means 5VRMS max on each input.

    At the single 36Vdc supply rail, the above configuration is acceptable, since the overhead output voltage swing range meets the 2kohm load impedance requirements. 

    If you have other questions, please let us know. 

    Best,

    Raymond

      

  • Thank you very much, this solved my question. I'll stick with 36V single supply, for both the input stage (conversion from XLR balanced to unbalanced) and the output stage (conversion from unbalanced to XLR balanced). Thanks again