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A phase noise of LMX2820EVM is bad.
Result of a measurement is far apart from simulation.
Please give me advice to become same as a simulation result.
A phase noise of LMX2820EVM is bad.
Result of a measurement is far apart from simulation.
Please give me advice to become same as a simulation result.
Hello,
Give us some time to look into these settings you have made and we will get back to you shortly.
Hi Arai-san,
Your OCXO phase noise is very good, hope the spurs are not real and is just a measurement issue.
Given this good phase noise, I don't know why the phase noise of LMX2820 is bad.
Were you using the "EVM default mode" setting but just change the output frequency to 1.7GHz?
Could you also try other reference clock? For example, signal generator? You could try with 800MHz reference clock and then set Pre-R = 4 to get the same 200MHz fpd.
Hi Arai-san,
When did you order this EVM? What is the part number as shown in the top marking of the device? Is it LMX or PLMX?
The noise bump between 10kHz and 100kHz could be reduced by increasing the bypassing capacitor at pin 3. Change this capacitor to 4.7µF or larger.
Higher input frequency or input power improves phase noise suggests that the slew rate of the reference clock is also important. If possible, use a square wave reference clock. Also try use a sma connector (aka I-join) instead of sma cable to connect the OCXO and EVM together.
Hi Noel-san,
>When did you order this EVM? What is the part number as shown in the top marking of the device? Is it LMX or PLMX?
1. It is "LMX"
order number : T01091457
> The noise bump between 10kHz and 100kHz could be reduced by increasing the bypassing capacitor at pin 3. Change this capacitor to 4.7µF or larger.
2. I will try this after.
> Higher input frequency or input power improves phase noise suggests that the slew rate of the reference clock is also important. If possible, use a square wave reference clock.
> Also try use a sma connector (aka I-join) instead of sma cable to connect the OCXO and EVM together.
3. Square wave reference clock is difficult.
Is "I-join" connected by SMA-M to SMA-M.
the OCXO and EVM because SMA-Female.
Hi Noel-san,
I'm sorry late reply.
I report result of a measurement.
> The noise bump between 10kHz and 100kHz could be reduced by increasing the bypassing capacitor at pin 3. Change this capacitor to 4.7µF or larger.
Changed to 2.2uF.
Phase noise has improved by about 0.5 dB.
Do I need to change Register2's INSTCAL_DLY as a result of the change?
Also, I'm not using INSTCAL_DLY right now. (default)
> Also try use a sma connector (aka I-join) instead of sma cable to connect the OCXO and EVM together.
Phase noise is about 1dB worse.
Please give me advice.
Is REFERENCE 100MHz square wave in figure 8-2 on page 30 of the data sheet?
Is it a sine wave?
I understand that the reference signal is a +10 dBm sine wave.
Even if the input level of the reference signal is changed to +10 dBm, the simulation and the measured value are still different.
Do you have any other advice? Or is it possible to get a demo?
Hi Arai-san,
I am afraid I don't have any cue for phase noise difference. Not sure if there is other factor, other than slew rate and phase noise, that may affect the PLL noise of this device. This requires further investigation from our side.
Just FYI, I've spent some time with the LMX2820 eval module recently and found that it is relatively sensitive to power supply noise. The LMX2820 data sheet says, "The internal power supplies are provided by integrated LDOs, eliminating the need for high-performance external LDOs," but this is a bit optimistic on TI's part.
Try powering the board from a dedicated low noise 3.3V LDO instead of running it directly from your bench supply. I've seen good results with the LT1963 followed by some additional LC filtering (pi filter with 27 uH and 10 uF ceramic on both sides).
Hi Noel-san,
We can't confirm it anymore.
Does that mean you can't demonstrate?
Can TI remeasure the LMX2820EVM at 6GHz and show the data?
Please disclose the power supply, reference signal, and reference signal level used for the measurement conditions.
Also, please give me a measuring instrument.
I supplied a power supply with 3.3V through LDO.(LDO=ADM7151ACPZ-04)
But, the phase noise did not improve.
I do not have what to do.
Please help me.
Hi Arai-san,
I will ask my team to take some data to you, please stay tuned.
Hi Arai-san,
Sorry to keep you waiting but I am sorry to tell you that the team has been busy with new product development, all the test equipment is occupied at the moment. Let me push again and get you something in next week. Thank you for your patience.
Hi Arai-san,
Here is the plot, with EVM default mode and change the output divider to Divided by 4. Reference clock is 100MHz Wenzel.
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