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LMX2594EVM: LMX2594 Phase Noise

Part Number: LMX2594EVM
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: LMX2594

Please give me some advice regarding the phase noise of the LMX2594.

Figure 1, there is a difference between the measured value at 100kHz and the simulation.
What could be the factors that cause these characteristics?
The following materials for consideration are attached.
What else do you need?
Figure 2 shows the simulation settings.
Figure 3 shows 120MHz Fosc phase noise (SG: Keysight E4433B).
Figure 4 shows the TICS Pro settings(Raw Registers).

Regards,
Akihiko Yokouchi/

Fig 1

Fig 2

Fig 3

Fig 4


Raw Registers
R112 0x700000
R111 0x6F0000
R110 0x6E0000
R109 0x6D0000
R108 0x6C0000
R107 0x6B0000
R106 0x6A0000
R105 0x690021
R104 0x680000
R103 0x670000
R102 0x660000
R101 0x650001
R100 0x640000
R99 0x630000
R98 0x620000
R97 0x610888
R96 0x600000
R95 0x5F0000
R94 0x5E0000
R93 0x5D0000
R92 0x5C0000
R91 0x5B0000
R90 0x5A0000
R89 0x590000
R88 0x580000
R87 0x570000
R86 0x560000
R85 0x550000
R84 0x540000
R83 0x530000
R82 0x520000
R81 0x510000
R80 0x500000
R79 0x4F0000
R78 0x4E005D
R77 0x4D0000
R76 0x4C000C
R75 0x4B0800
R74 0x4A0000
R73 0x49003F
R72 0x480000
R71 0x470021
R70 0x46C350
R69 0x450000
R68 0x4403E8
R67 0x430000
R66 0x4201F4
R65 0x410000
R64 0x401388
R63 0x3F0000
R62 0x3E0322
R61 0x3D00A8
R60 0x3C0000
R59 0x3B0001
R58 0x3A8001
R57 0x390020
R56 0x380000
R55 0x370000
R54 0x360000
R53 0x350000
R52 0x340820
R51 0x330080
R50 0x320000
R49 0x314180
R48 0x300300
R47 0x2F0300
R46 0x2E07FD
R45 0x2DC8C0
R44 0x2C14A4
R43 0x2B000B
R42 0x2A0000
R41 0x290000
R40 0x280000
R39 0x270018
R38 0x260000
R37 0x250604
R36 0x240066
R35 0x230004
R34 0x220000
R33 0x211E21
R32 0x200393
R31 0x1F03EC
R30 0x1E318C
R29 0x1D318C
R28 0x1C0488
R27 0x1B0002
R26 0x1A0DB0
R25 0x190624
R24 0x18071A
R23 0x17007C
R22 0x160001
R21 0x150401
R20 0x14E848
R19 0x1327B7
R18 0x120064
R17 0x110096
R16 0x100080
R15 0x0F064F
R14 0x0E1E50
R13 0x0D4000
R12 0x0C5001
R11 0x0B0018
R10 0x0A10D8
R9 0x090604
R8 0x082000
R7 0x0740B2
R6 0x06C802
R5 0x0500C8
R4 0x040A43
R3 0x030642
R2 0x020500
R1 0x01080A
R0 0x00249C

  • By the way, the loop filter constant of the evaluation board is the same as the simulation.

    Regards,
    Akihiko Yokouchi/

  • Hi Yokouchi-san,

    I don't know why the phase noise is so bad at 100kHz offset, is the test result taken with the EVM or customer board? Can the customer test it with a clean reference clock? 

    The register configuration looks good in general, I have some suggestions:

    At 12070MHz, we should set VCO_SEL = 4, VCO_DACISET_STRT = 300, and VCO_CAPCTRL_STRT = 1. This will affect the VCO calibration. I suggest use this configuration for any VCO frequencies.

    I think, in general, a 3rd order MASH is good enough.

  • Hello. Dear Noel,
    Thank you for your advice.

    We have not tested EVM etc.
    The phase noise of the 120M REF to be used is as follows, and the simulation of the 12G band phase noise by this REF is as shown in Fig. 1.
    We have not confirmed the phase noise due to this REF yet.
    I am concerned that the characteristics will be the same as when SG is set to REF (the integrated noise will be worse).

    I check the phase noise by changing the advice setting and REF.

    Also, I may ask you for advice.
    At that time, please.

     Fig_1

    120M REF DATA
    (Hz) (dBc/Hz)
    10 -97.6
    20 -101.6
    30 -103.0
    50 -104.5
    70 -106.4
    100 -109.9
    200 -119.8
    300 -126.3
    500 -134.0
    700 -138.7
    1000 -143.4
    2000 -150.5
    3000 -154.4
    5000 -159.4
    7000 -162.6
    10000 -166.0
    20000 -169.0
    30000 -170.8
    50000 -172.5
    70000 -173.2
    100000 -174.0
    200000 -174.6
    300000 -175.0
    500000 -175.4
    700000 -175.7
    1000000 -176.0

  • Hi Yokouchi-san,

    looking forward to seeing the test result with the real, clean reference clock.

    In the mean time, can the customer do (1) increase the charge pump to 15mA and (2) decrease the charge pump to 3mA? I want to see how the phase noise change in order to get a sense of what was causing the high phase noise.

  • Hello. Dear Noel,
    Thank you for your advice.

    I confirmed the phase noise due to the 120M REF used.
    As a result, the 100kHz characteristic that existed when 120M REF was used as SG has disappeared (Fig. 1).
    In the loop band: The flat part is about 10dB worse than the simulation.
    This is probably because the phase noise of the 120M REF during measurement is worse than that of the 120M REF of the simulation (Fig. 2).
    It was confirmed that there is no problem with phase noise by using 120M REF, which is planned to be used, instead of SG.
    However, I'm worried that I happened to get the characteristics well.
    I check the phase noise when changing the CP current.
    Is there anything else I can do to find out that the confirmation is okay?

    Regards,
    Akihiko Yokouchi/

     Fig. 1

     Fig.2

  • Hi Yokouchi-san,

    If I use Fig2 as the reference clock, I get similar simulation result as Fig1. The flat region is still affected by the reference clock. To get a lower phase noise in the flat region, we need to increase the loop bandwidth and to use a better phase noise reference clock.

  • Hello. Dear Noel,
    Thank you for your advice.

    I changed the CP current and confirmed the phase noise.
    Fig 1: 3mA, Fig 2: 6mA, Fig 3: 9mA, Fig 4: 12mA, Fig 5: 15mA.
    Does this result give you any idea about the characteristics of 100kHz?

    Regards,
    Akihiko Yokouchi/

     Fig 1

     Fig 2

     Fig 3

     Fig 4

     Fig 5

  • Hello. Dear Noel.

    I changed the SG of 120M REF from Keysight E4433B to E8257D and confirmed the spectrum.
    As a result, spurious was confirmed in the 100kHz offset (Fig. 1).

    You can see the difference in spectrum between E4433B and E8257D as shown in Fig. 2.
    (Fig. 2 Black: 120M REF of E4433B, Blue: 120M REF of E8257D)

    From this result, isn't the 100kHz characteristic using E4433B caused by spurious?
    (Spurious was buried in the phase noise)

    So can we guess what causes this spurious?
    Also, is there anything else I should check?

    Regards,
    Akihiko Yokouchi/

     Fig. 1

     Fig. 2

  • Hi Yokouchi-san,

    obviously the bad phase noise was due to the quality of the reference clock, to get datasheet performance of the device, we need a super good reference clock. We use Wenzel as the reference clock in our tests. FYI, below is the phase noise of the Wenzel clock. 

    As for the 100KHz spurs, they are not generated by LMX2594, as the fractional spurs frequency should be at least 1.6MHz away from the carrier. Likely that the spurs are due to power supply noise or from the signal generator. the spurs could also be coming from the PC, you can try, after programming the EVM, remove the 10-pin ribbon cable. 

  • Hello. Dear Noel,
    Thank you for your advice.

     Remove the ribbon cable and check the spurious.