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ADS1292: One lead ecg better CMRR OPA2188 and ADS1292 .

Part Number: ADS1292
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: OPA2188, INA828

Hello 

I would like to ask a question to be sure , 

does adding an external buffer opamp with hight CMRR would increase the ADS1292 CMRR performance ?  ( one lead ECG no RLD) 

OPA2188 has a very good high CMRR  146dB .  

do in this case still need RLD ? 

DC bock Capacitors ?

does the supply voltage effect the CMRR of OA2188? for  for example  -/+  5V is better than -/+2,5V ?   or same? 

I am sorry to ask much , Thank you in advanced 

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  • Add info 

    Or add INA828  and use ADS1292 as single end

    Does these solution have some effect to increase the performance ;  and do i still really need to  to deedback RLD with high resistors to the inputs ? 

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  • Hi Hector,

    Thank you for your post.

    The CMRR performance is dependent on all components in the signal chain. The ADS1292 already offers high enough CMRR to satisfy IEC standards. I don't believe another amplifier or INA in the signal path is necessary.

    To improve CMRR performance, I would begin by reducing the component tolerance for the resistors and capacitors used in the signal path. Much of the CMRR degradation comes from the mismatch in discrete components. This causes common-mode to differential signal conversion, so the high-CMRR amplifiers at the end of the signal chain will not help. 

    With only 2 electrodes and no RLD, another method must be used to bias the input signals to mid-supply. An AC-coupling capacitor and a high-impedance pull-up to RLDOUT is one way to achieve this.

    Best regards,

  • Thank you for reply . 

    i will test what u say ; the problem in our application we use pads with jel not electrods ; that effect the all performance

     does it matter where to put the capacitor at the inputs of electrodes or at the inputs of th ADS1292 ? 

    i usually start with low pass allaising filter then AC capacitors  then pull up resistors  . Am I right? 

  • Hi Hector,

    My recommendation would be try move the low-pass filtering to the end, right before the ADS1292 input pins. If you're using the a pull-up to RLDOUT to bias the inputs, then you can still suppress some of the common-mode signal before it reaches the low-pass filters. Some common-mode to differential conversion will have already occurred earlier in the signal chain, so the RLD loop will be less effective that driving the body with RLD directly, but you may see some benefit still.

  • Mr Rayn I would like to thank you very much for you great support 

    its really help 

    i share my shamatic ; do really I need the diff capacitor ? C178 

    how can I mute the input block capacitor and the pullup resistors ? 

    I undderstand from the datasheet if I need 8khz sps I have to use external oscillator , right? 

    Thank you again 

  • Hi Hector,

    The differential cap helps to filter differential noise. Currently, your schematic would give a -3-dB bandwidth of about 700 Hz. The 100k resistors may introduce too large of an offset voltage and should probably be reduced or eliminated. These resistors are typically only needed to protect the internal ESD cells against high-voltage transients. 

    By "mute" do you mean "eliminate?" If you wish to DC-couple the inputs, you will need to use a dedicated RLD electrode.

    The internal oscillator can be used to achieve a data rate of 8 kSPS. Please refer to the CONFIG1 register description in the data sheet.

    Best regards,

  • Abig thank  for you for simulation the filter

    U use bipolar supply +/- 2,5 volt  , so all should be the same , right? 

    i wil leleminate the 100k ; 

    i mean by mute to decrease a little the input capacitance (1uf )if possible . 

    Also I need to increase the filter frequency  about 1500hz because i need to detect the Pace signal in the software . so i should play with the resistors little . 

    thank you again 

  • What about add a ressistor in serios with the capacitor for limit current and protection  between electrodes and capacitor  ?  how does this resistor effect the above circuit? 

    Thank you 

  • Do I need buffer between protection resistors and  Dc block capacitor ? 

    Any help here please ? 

  • Hi Hector,

    Yes - bipolar and unipolar supplies will give you the same performance.

    I suppose you could use a high-impedance protection resistor before the DC-blocking caps, as the caps would remove the DC offset they introduce. A 1k, 1W resistor is typically all that's needed up front. As an example, please refer to this TI reference design:

    http://www.ti.com/tool/TIDA-01614

    For more information about electrical overstress protection, check out our new TI Precision Labs - ADCs training videos:

    https://training.ti.com/eos-and-esd-adc

    Best regards,

  • Thank you for your grear answers ; its reallt help

    my last question ; we will go with 5v  unipolar solution 

    for the low pass filter at the input should I connect the capacitors to ground or 2,5v 

    thank you 

  • Hi Hector,

    You can connect the common-mode filter capacitors to ground.