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LightCrafter Boot with Optics Removed

Hi,

I am trying to run the lightcrafter with light engine removed.  I have removed the light engine as shown here:

http://e2e.ti.com/support/dlp__mems_micro-electro-mechanical_systems/f/850/t/159950.aspx

After carefully adjusting the exposed DMD, the lightcrafter will boot to about 75%,  and the USB is detected on the laptop.  Then at about 90% boot the USB abruptly disconnects, lights on the system board turn off, and the lights on the driver board become solid green and flashing red.

I tried reconnecting the large ribbon cable in this configuration and it fully boots and successfully works.  

I wonder why the ribbon cable has to be connected to boot? I thought it was not  required to communicate to the DMD?

Thanks,

Jeremy

  • Jeremy,

    UPDATE: We found that there was a change to the MSP430 v2.6 firmware which causes the LightCrafter to fail to boot if the LED cable is removed. You can get around this by downgrading to MSP430 v2.5 firmware. This will be corrected in a future release of the MSP430 firmware. The version 4.0 GUI will complain that you are not using the latest MSP430 FW, but you can ignore that. Just click "OK" on the warning message, and the GUI will continue to operate.


    There is no change that needs to be made to the DLP LightCrafter to enable it to operate with the light engine removed. It should boot without the light engine connected. As you seem to have done, please make sure that the DMD is properly seated in its socket.

    The only thing that I can think of is that something else is "jiggled" when you have the light engine ribbon cable disconnected.

  • Jeremy,

    We found that there was a change to the MSP430 v2.6 firmware which causes the LightCrafter to fail to boot if the LED cable is removed. You can get around this by downgrading to MSP430 v2.5 firmware. This will be corrected in a future release of the MSP430 firmware. The version 4.0 GUI will complain that you are not using the latest MSP430 FW, but you can ignore that. Just click "OK" on the warning message, and the GUI will continue to operate.

  • Yes, that was the problem.  Now it works with the old v2.5 firmware. 

    Thanks for your help,

    Jeremy

  • Pascal,

    I think if R60 is removed, the issue will also be averted. However, it removes the electronic detection of the LED voltage level.

    - Adam

    Keynote Photonics

  • Hello,

    I am having the same issue. How do I go about downgrading the firmware if the Lightcrafter does not finish booting?

  • You have to reconnect the large ribbon cable and use the GUI to install older firmware.

    I've tried the latest software release (Version 2.0.1) and they did not fix the problem. 

    My guess is they either forgot about this problem or they don't know how to fix it.

    Jeremy

  • Hi Jeremy,

    Thank you for your response. We continuously improve our products based on feedback we receive from customers like yourself. Previous software releases did allow the light engine to be removed. As we added features, based on customer feedback, the ability to remove the light engine was affected. The capability to operate the LightCrafter without its light engine is a feature we are considering for a future software release. 

    Best regards,

    Blair 

  • Dear Pascal,

    could you please provide some more details on the steps needed for the downgrade.

    I never managed to get my DLP module to connect to the PC (RNDIS or any other device never appeared in device manageer) probably because of the lack of the light engine.

    However, reattaching the light engine did not get me any further than the 4th screen (about 95% in the boot sequence, i.e. no difference) and no USB device recognized.

    In fact, all I want from my DLP module is to be able to revert to HDMI input with no light engine attached.

    Best,

    Rodrigo

  • Rodrigo,

    We believe that the problem connecting to the LightCrafter with v2.6 FW is because the voltage limits on the internal monitor (MSP430) were tightened, and the power supply that you are using is not holding within the required voltage limits. This is a problem with some less expensive (but not exclusively!) power supplies.

    Our recommendation is to try a different model (design) power supply (not just another unit of the kind you are using) to see if the behavior improves or changes. Once you are able to get a successful boot, you should also be able to connect over USB/RNDIS and do the FW downgrade to v2.5. This will then allow you to proceed with using the LCr HDMI with no LE attached.

  • Dear Pascal,

    thank you for your reply.

    I'm afraid using either the power supply recommended for Lightcrafter (from digikey 5V 3A) or a programmable power supply with the same settings (the HAMEG HM7044 indicated only 0.69A were consumed at 5V) produced the same results. That is, the booting sequence stops at the fourth screen at about 95%. The boot switch is set towards the DM365 (but the same result is obtained on the other position). The led next to the DM365 is constantly red whereas the others are constantly green.

    Connecting a USB cable produces no change on the board or PC. I also could not retrieve any log from the UART at 115200 baud rate (the cable I prepared connects a DB9 pin 2 to the tip of the 2.5mm plug, pin 3 to the intermediate section and pin 5 to the base, but I'm not sure if that is what is required).

    The color stripes are only visible in the photo, to the naked eye the projection looks fine. This is the point at which the boot freezes.

    Please let me know if you have any ideas on how to get this board to finish the boot sequence (or just switch to HDMI input)

    Best,

    Rodrigo

  • Rodrigo,

    Very sorry you are still having problems. Please try booting from the uSD card (push the switch toward the SD slot).

    It would be very helpful to get the UART monitoring working so that we can see what is going on. Do yoiu have a serial port or USB-to-serial adapter? 

    TX is on pin 3

    RX is on pin 2

    GND is pin 1

    Baud: 115200

    Data: bits 8

    Stop: bits 1

    Parity: none

    Flow control: none

    If you have the serial (UART) connection/settings correct, you should be able to see console output during the boot process - even if it fails along the way.

    When you can get a log of the boot, please copy it and send it to us to look at.

  • Hi Pascal,

    here's the log I just got

    -----------------------------------------------
    LightCrafter - NAND Boot
    -----------------------------------------------
    nand_size=134217728
    u-boot src=0x00320800
    nand_read block_idx=0x00000019 page_idx=0x00000001 len=0x00028000
    block=0000001A
    kernel src=0x00400000
    nand_read block_idx=0x00000020 page_idx=0x00000000 len=0x00400000
    block=00000040
    file-system src=0x00800000
    nand_read block_idx=0x00000040 page_idx=0x00000000 len=0x00500000
    block_idx=0x00000042 page_idx=0x00000027 Read failed!
    block=00000068
    uboot read failed

    does that help?

  • Hi Rodrigo,

    Thanks for the log. Were you booting from SD this time?

    If not, can you copy the dm365 image booting from SD card and boot the LightCrafter from SD card. The D1 LED next to DM365 should be green. If this fixes the issue, then you can upgrade the dm365 booting from NAND. From your log, it looks the DM365 is not getting the right data from NAND.

    Regards,

    Divya

  • Hi Divya,

    That worked. The boot, from the SD card with dm3xx_sd.dat, was successful this time, there are blue, green and red vertical bars appearing after the 4 images from the boot process and the USB connection seems to work fine now.

    The HDMI input however does not show more than a black screen or a black screen with a red outline.

    I guess this is a resolution problem (can't get my PC resolution to go below 800x600) and apparently DLP3000 only supports input Resolutions 608x684, 864x480,854x480 (WVGA), 640x480 (VGA), 320x240. 

    Any suggestions of how to generate a valid signal for the HDMI? (Harware/software)

    Best,

    Rodrigo

  • Hi Rodrigo,

    Thanks for the update.

    When you change the display mode to "HDMI Video", you will see the black image with red outline. You have to change the Graphical properties on your host machine to "Extend" or "Clone" the display.

    On the resolution, there are two different EDIDs on LightCrafter. The EDID_LightCrafter_608x684.bin file supports the above mentioned resolutions and this is the default file on LightCrafter. The EDID_LightCrafter_864x480.bin file supports several other resolutions. You will have to upgrade the LightCrafter with this EDID from the "Solutions/Upgrade" tab on the GUI.

    Since you are intending to remove the LightCrafter, downgrade the MSP430 to v2.5.

    Regards,

    Divya

  • Hi Jeremy,

    I have v2.7 and it seems removing optics is still a problem with v2.7 and I am having trouble locating the version on ti's website. Where did you get the older v2.5 ?

    Thanks in advance,

    Nisar

  • There is a link to the older version but it appears that the software download is not working.  I have the file DLPLightCrafter_FW_SW_v1.0_2012_01_23.zip  I think this is what you need.

    Jeremy

  • Jeremy,

    Thanks for actively helping the LightCrafter Community.

    You are right, the MSP430 v2.5 is part of the DLP LightCrafter Firmware and Software Bundlev1.1

    I have double checked and the download link is working.

    Regards,

    Divya

  • Dear Divya,

    thank you for the EDID information, I changed it to 864x480 and the MSP430 to version 2.5.

    Unfortunately I still don't get the video projected properly (using a monitor i see it fine - 'Extend' was ok). The most basic output from the PC is 800x600 (16-bit, Windows 7 only offers 16 or 32 bit as options).  Could this be the problem?

    Best,

    Rodrigo

  • Dear Rodrigo,

    Sorry for a delayed response.

    I think it also depends on what resolutions your host machine supports. From your message it looks like you were able to stream the video when you extended the display, is that right?

    Can you post your GUI settings and your display settings?

    Thanks,

    Divya