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SN65HVD1792-EP: What reason for restriceted operating air temp., Ta to +105deg.C

Part Number: SN65HVD1792-EP

The operating air temp. of this device is restricted to +105deg.C.

But I don't understand the reason from the following.

(1) The device is "Enhanced Products", having the caracteristic of  extended temp., -55deg.C to +125deg.C.

(2) The consumption is comparatively low in nomal operation.

      So, the device temp. rise is low, based on the consumption and thermal resistance, janction to air.

(3) The recommended junction temp. is 150deg.C.

Please be advised  about the reason for restriceted Ta to +105deg.C.

(for "Fault Protection function?)

  • Nakashima-san,

    Please pardon our delay during the holidays. One of our experts should be able to get back to you next week after we return.

    Happy New Year!

    -Danny

  • Hi Nakashima-san,

    The limitation is due to the fact that this device failed to maintain specification compliance and could suffer damage when ambient was above 105C. Basically device failed during our validation and testing process and we released the device with a reduced ambient temperature range to prevent issues from customers designing this device into systems. We didn't see failures with respects to other specifications so only the TA is reduced. 

    In conclusion - we saw issues when we did validation above 105C and nothing in the datasheet really would suggest that would happen, but if this device is used don't use it in ambient temperatures above 105C for best results. 

    Best,

    Parker Dodson

  • Dear Danny Bacic,

    Thank you for your consideration.

    Sincerely,

  • Dear Parker Dodson,

    Thank you for your answer. I understood that the reason is based on fact.

    I have one more question about the fact.

    Could you tell us the electrical condition, especially bus pin voltage about the fail validation?

    I think this device specializes in common mode voltage range.

    I expect  that the device is no damage above 105deg.C for common mode voltage being relatively low.

    I am looking forward to hearing from you.

    Sincerely,

  • Nakashima-san,

    We don't guarantee operation above 105C ambient - so if your systems runs at > 105C ambient you add a lot of risk because we don't guarantee operation past that point and any damage that occurs could be due to non-conformance of limiting values. So regardless if your common mode voltage is lower  - there is still risk added.  Running system above 105C does not guarantee damage since the junction temperature can reach higher - but past 105C we don't guarantee conformance to datasheet parameters. 

    The electrical conditions that need to be respected to prevent damage are listed in the abs max section of datasheet

    1.Supply voltage specifies voltage w.r.t. GND at the VCC pin - which is -0.5V to 7V

    2. Voltage range at bus pins - so the A and B pins ratings which is -70V to 70V w.r.t. GND

    3. Voltage input range at logic pins - which are the other inputs on the device - is -0.3V to VCC + 0.3V w.r.t. GND. So the logic input pins are dependent on the voltage at the VCC pin. 

    However to keep the device conforming to datasheet specifications - the recommended values should be followed:

    All of these specifications need to be respected for the datasheet performance to be guaranteed - and 105C is the max ambient. 

    Please let me know if you have any other questions!

    Best,

    Parker Dodson

  • Dear Parker Dodson,

    Thank you for your answer. I understood your scope ot guarantee.

    I'd like to make sure about RECOMMENDED OPERATING CONDITIONS, just in case.

    As stated in first question, I think that these are cases where Tj is not over 150deg.C at Ta >105deg.C in case of this device.

    Even if  Ta is above 105deg.C but Tj is below 150deg.C, should we think that there is the risk of defect. 

    I am looking forward to hearing from you.

    Sincerely,

  • Nakashima-san,

    There is risk of application failures when you put the ambient temperature above 105C - and we don't guarantee performance. That doesn't mean that the device will break if ambient is above 105C - but performance could be degraded and you could see behavior that isn't conducive to a functioning application. 

    Essentially "RECOMMENDED OPERATING CONDITIONS" are the conditions to keep the part bound by datasheet and will help prevent application failures due to comms issues - so above 105C the behavior of the device isn't well defined.

    The "ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM" conditions are the conditions that if violated will cause damage and could permanently ruin the device.

    So essentially if TA > 105C but TJ < 150C the device may not be damaged - but behavior isn't guaranteed and it may not comply with RS-485 requirements. So to mitigate that risk keeping TA <= 105C is the most advisable pathway forward. 

    Best,

    Parker Dodson 

  • Dear Parker Dodson,

    Thank you for your answer. 

    If we have additional question, we will ask the question with "Ask a related question".

    Thank you, all.