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SN65HVD231: When the IC is powered OFF nominal CAN bias voltage drops significantly

Part Number: SN65HVD231

Hello There,

At our system we are using some equipments that uses SN65HVD231QD, VP230 and TCAN1051VDRQ1. When we turn off the components that uses SN65HVD231QD and VP230 can bias voltages drops significantly.

At our system there is 4 equipment that uses VP230  and 1 component uses SN65HVD231QD. We replaced VP230 with SN65HVD231QD and saw that both of the ICs acts same.  Here is some figures for different situations.

Test 1:

Only TCAN1051VDRQ1 connected to the system.

Test 2:

-TCAN1051VDRQ1 connected.

-VP230 connected but not powered.

Test 3:

-TCAN1051VDRQ1 connected.

- SN65HVD231QD connected but not powered.

As you can see from the test 2 and test 3 effects of the SN65HVD231QD and VP230 is quite similar.

More of these components will be connected to the system at the following figures.

Test 3:

-TCAN1051VDRQ1 connected.

-2 x VP230 connected but not powered.

Test 3:

-TCAN1051VDRQ1 connected.

-3 x VP230 connected but not powered.

Test 4:

-TCAN1051VDRQ1 connected.

-4 x VP230 connected but not powered.

Test 5:

-TCAN1051VDRQ1 connected.

-4 x VP230 connected but not powered.

- SN65HVD231QD connected but not powered.

As you can see from the figure above message nominal voltage level drops with after each connection (while they turned off) 

And this is the situation when all of the components powered on

We are encountering some errors and even sometimes crashing at the CAN bus. Are behaviour of the ICs normal ? We can use some suggestions to make improvements at the CAN BUS.

Two 120 ohm resistors are used as terminations and cable quality is very good grade.

Kind Regards,

 

  • When powered off, the SN65HVD231 can take up to 350 µA from the bus (see the II specification in section 8.6).

    CAN is a differential bus. Please tell your oscilloscope to compute CANH − CANL. Is there anything wrong with the differential voltage?

  • Furkan,

    Just checking in here - were you able to take a look at the differential signal (CANH-CANL) to see whether there were anomalies or unexpected behaviors?

    Keep in mind that there will be common-mode shifts when interoperating with 3.3V CAN and 5V CAN devices on the same bus. As Clemens mentioned, the differential voltage is the important consideration for a receiver. Common-mode shifts have a greater impact on the EMC of a system, which is important in automotive applications.

    As a side note: If you're looking for an automotive application for mixed 3.3V CAN and 5V CAN devices, please consider the new TCAN34xx-Q1 family.

    Best,

    Danny