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TUSB8020B: Intermittent SuperSpeed link losses -- update

Part Number: TUSB8020B

Tool/software:

Dear Support Team,

Sorry for creating a new thread, but the old thread is already locked.

We have thoroughly tested the new PCBs made on a true high-speed laminate and with small improvements in power decoupling and layout. They perform much better, but still not perfectly. Depending on the combination of a PC port and a connecting cable, the problems appear or not. However, even when the problems do appear, the periods of undisturbed operation are now minutes or even tens of minutes, while the previous PCBs exhibited link losses within seconds. Same as with the old PCBs, disabling U1/U2 support in TUSB8020B through an EEPROM helps, the problems disappear completely then.

We have tested cables of different lengths from different vendors. Some PC ports performed generally well, while some were sensitive to the cable selection. Shorter cables often (but not always) perform better. We have even dissected the cables around their plugs and have seen very different levels of manufacturing quality with respect to shielding near the plugs and keeping lengths in differential pairs. Funny that the some of the best performing cables looked the worst, and vice versa.

Interestingly, our oldest prototype (7 years old) -- not that different in PCB trace layout and lacking many improvents, made on a mediocre laminate -- is still unbeatable with respect to the link stability in various port/cable combinations (with standard U1/U2 enable settings). This is the oldest of our TUSB8020B chips. But it is the same silicon revision as the fresh ones so it should not matter, should it?

Regards,
Michal

  • Hi Michal:   

         You suspect the  performance  of  new chips is not as good as old chips? Can you swap chips  between different prototype  boards?

    Regards

    Brian

  • Well, we finally thought about some differences between the older and the newer chips as there was no clear explanation of the differences in behavior between the boards. Do you think such a difference is possible?

    Swapping chips is doable, but risky. We only have one piece of the oldest prototype and no other such old chips (that one is marked as 6AW AYXH) and we would not like to destroy this board.

    Anyway, our new PCBs perform quite well. Using a high-speed laminate PCB, Asmedia controller card, well-chosen cable, and EEPROM with corrected settings results in a very stable connection which meets our needs. 

    Thank you very much for helping us.