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SN65HVD233: Short circuit current and trace width

Part Number: SN65HVD233

Hello,

I am implementing a 3.3V CAN bus using SN65HVD233 transceivers. There is a possibility we will have a 5V transceiver on the bus for brief periods of time. Some of the boards I am laying out are very dense, which leads to 3 or 4 mil trace widths to keep the 120 ohm differential impedance on 0.5 oz copper on internal layers.

This should be fine for normal operation, but the fact that 250mA is called out as the short circuit current alarms me a bit. On the 3 mil 0.5 oz traces, a continuous 250mA current could induce a 60C temperature rise! There are some areas of some boards where two busses intersect in X-Y position on different layers, and if there were a short on both at the high extreme of our temperature range, this could push the limits of FR-4.

But is this actually something this bus would see in a short? The 250mA spec looks like it corresponds to a 12V system, but we'd be looking at a 5V transceiver on the bus in the worst case. Would this reduce the short circuit current to a maximum of ~104mA? That would help the thermal situation dramatically (basically a non-issue, ~10C rise on the 3 mil trace). I know duty cycle plays a role too, but I'd rather not rely on software behavior to ensure the safety of the equipment.

  • Francesco,

    First, if there is any possible way to widen those traces, I would recommend it. Though I'm guessing you've already exhausted all possibilities, 3-4 mil trace width just makes me nervous regardless of the application.

    That being said, you are correct in that this amount of current wouldn't be seen if there is no 12V rail in the system. Since CAN transceivers are typically used in automotive environments, the 12V case was included (car battery = ~12V). This 250mA short-circuit case, while possible, isn't common, since it would require CANL to short to the battery rail as well as CANH being disconnected from the bus. And again, even if this case were to happen in your system, CANL being shorting to 5V and CANH being open wouldn't cause damage to the transceiver.

    I don't see issues with your implementation, please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

    Regards,