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DP83825I: Voltage swing(PMD out) with 100Base-TX)

Part Number: DP83825I

Hi all


Would you mind if we ask DP83825I?

On the our customer's board, voltage swing(PMD out) with 100Base-TX) is more than ±1.05V.
(Please refer to the following figure. CH1=TD_P pin, CH2=TD_M pin)



<Question1>
How much is the maxmium and minimum value of PMD out in case of 100Base-TX?
We quess that it will be within Min=±0.95V and Max=±1.05V.
Is it correct.

<Question2>
If the value is from Min=±0.95V to Max=±1.05V, the device might have some troble.
Should we check Rbias pin?
And then, how much is the voltage of Rbias?
And this voltage is static DC level?

Kind regards,

Hirotaka Matsumoto



  • Hello,

    Most of our PHYs are centered around 1V, with ranges spanning between 0.95 and 1.05V. If you are seeing that the voltage level is missing this range, you can try reading registers 0x30b and 0x30c. Then, by adjusting the values in these registers, you are able to shift the voltage around 6-7% per bit.

    Sincerely,

    Gerome

  • Gerome san

    Thank you so much for your reply.

    OK, we will check registers 0x30b and 0x30c.
    Should we confirm whether Bit cfg_dac_plus_one_val and Bit cfg_dac_minus_one_val are default or not?
    And how much is the recommended value?(default??)

    And then, we have not received about Rbias voltage yet.
    Could you share us it?

    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto

  • Hello,

    The default values on registers 0x30b and 0x30c are 0x0C00 and 0x0010, respectively. Regarding the RBIAS question, it is more used for fine tuning the voltage. As long as the correct resistor is there (6.49k, 1% tolerance), the register writes should have more significant changes to the voltage level.

    Sincerely,

    Gerome

  • Gerome san


    Thank you so much for your reply!

    Regarding the RBIAS question, it is more used for fine tuning the voltage.
    As long as the correct resistor is there (6.49k, 1% tolerance), the register writes should have more significant changes to the voltage level.
    ->Ok, we understand it. So, we would like to know the how much Rbias pin voltage is.
       And, it will be static DC voltage, right?

    The default values on registers 0x30b and 0x30c are 0x0C00 and 0x0010, respectively.
    ->Just in case, the datasheet shows 7.6.61 DAC_CFG_1 Register (Offset = 0x30C) [reset = 0x20] on the P74.
       "0x0010" is typo, right?


    Most of our PHYs are centered around 1V, with ranges spanning between 0.95 and 1.05V.
    ->We checked the default values on registers 0x30b and 0x30c were 0x0C00 and 0x0020 on the customer's board.
       So, in spite of default setting, the value of PMD output is more than maximum value.
       If you have some advice, could you let us know?


    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto

  • Hello,

    I will need a little bit of time to gather the answer to the first two questions. I should expect to have answers early next week.

    Regarding the value of PMD output, as it is more than the maximum value, I would suggest writing lower values by 1 bit for register 30C (0010 to 0011) and 4 bit increases for register 20B (0C00 to 0C40).

    Sincerely,

    Gerome

  • Geroma san

    Thank you so much for youre cooperation always.

    Regarding the value of PMD output, as it is more than the maximum value, I would suggest writing lower values by 1 bit for register 30C (0010 to 0011) and 4 bit increases for register 20B (0C00 to 0C40).
    ->We got it. However, in spite of default register, Might PMD output be more than ±1.05V?
       If it is true, we assume that it violates IEEE802.3, right?
       Or, if we set the value within ±1.05V using register, can it regard that it doesn't violate IEEE802.3?
       If you have some knowledge, could you share us?
    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto

  • Geroma san

    Thank you for your support always!

    Our customer checked Rbias pin's voltage.
    The result was 1.08mV.(not 1.08V)
    It seems that there is abnormal voltage.
    We are wait for your reply.

    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto

  • Hello,

    So long as you are able to get the PHY within the 1.05V level using the register, it does not violate IEEE802.3.

    Regarding the RBIAS voltage, this value was not characterized, but we do not recommend changing the RBIAS component value. Changing registers 30b and 30c would be the best way to adjust the voltage level.

    Sincerely,

    Gerome

  • Gerome san

    Thank you for your reply always!

    Regarding the RBIAS voltage, this value was not characterized, but we do not recommend changing the RBIAS component value.
    ->Ok, we got your comment.
       So, we would like to compare RBIAS voltage whether our customer's board has some trouble or not.
       Could you share us how much the Rbias voltage on the EVM is?
       Of course, we understand this value was not characterized. So we would like to know it as the reference.


    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto

  • Hello,

    Unfortunately, we do not have this value.

    Sincerely,

    Gerome

  • Geroma san

    OK, we got your circumstance.
    Is it possible to measure it using EVM?
    We don't have EVM now.

    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto

  • Hello,

    Currently it is difficult to get into the lab and record that measurement. However, I can get it to you in a week.

    Sincerely,

    Gerome

  • Geroma san

    Thank you so much for your cooperation!
    We got your situation. It might be affected by COVID-19.
    Please take care of yourself.

    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto

  • Thank you for your patience.

    Sincerely,

    Gerome

  • Hello,

    After talking with the team and measuring in the lab, I was able to conclude two things:

    1) The voltage across RBIAS during initialization, and when holding the Reset pin low, will be 1V.

    2) Once normal operation of the PHY is set, this voltage level will drop to GND.

    I would advise probing the RBIAS voltage using a scope and try powering up the device while the scope is capturing the signal. It should read a spike of 1V, and then quickly go back to GND.

    Sincerely,

    Gerome

  • Geroma san

    Thank you so much for your cooperation!!

    OK, we got it.

    Kind regards,

    Hirotaka Matsumoto