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SN74HC14-Q1: SN74HC14DR and SN74HC14QDR and IMDS

Part Number: SN74HC14-Q1
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: CD4024B

Hi,

I work for a manufacture that makes specialist equipment used on some vehicles  , we have for over 20 years made use of  normal grade parts like the SN74HC14DR, the product used to be retrofitted by the end user, and not at all safety critical.

More recently some vehicle builders have started to fit them at time of manufacture, and as a result we have been requested to submit data using IMDS.

For the non automotive parts TI will not supply a MDS via the IMDS system so I have to create them from the available material declarations.

Looking at the SN74HC14DR there looks to be eight different assembly plants, using different bond wires, lead frames and Mold compounds.

As the differences are the assembly plants - I assume the fabrication of the die will be the same process for all, this looks to be supported by most having a die mass of 0.719655mg.

However one of the subcontractor assemblies lists the die as only 0.163915mg ?  is this an error - or a different die in use ?

Assuming I would find more consistently in the true automotive part I looked at the SN74HC14QDRQ1

Ignoring the G4 suffix for "green" packaging there are two plants Mexico and Malaysia that assemble this part, again the two plants use different packaging - but I was expecting to find the die to be consistent, and the same as in the commercial parts, but not at all.

In TI AGUASCALIENTES the die is shown as 1.119429 mg where in TI MALAYSIA A/T it drops to only 0.145884 mg 

Does any one have an explanation for this ?

I have not done so but if I where to request the MDS via IMDS for these parts - what is shown as the mass etc. when there seems to be differences even in the automotive grade parts ?

( May be there are  errors and most never spot them ? - one supplier submitted a MDS that had been in use for 5 years - that included the tape carrier - and the mass was way off -- they had derived the mass from the number on the reel and the mass of the complete tape and reel in its shipping box ! ) 

  • Hi David,

    Yes, there have been changes to this device recently, and the size of the die is significantly reduced in the new version. You will find similar changes throughout our HC family of logic as we update it.

    The primary reason for the changes are related to manufacturing -- basically this device was using a very old process, and it has been updated to use a more modern process.

    The electrical specification limits in the datasheet remain unchanged, however typical values will shift with the new material.

  • Thank you for your reply, makes sense - but then why at least 4 different weights for the same die, assuming the automotive and commercial ones are the same die ?

    Long time ago now I was involved in some custom hybrids - miss how data sheets used to include the dimensions and pad locations of the die - note some of the older parts like the CD4024B still has it - but then expect not changed since the 80/90's another series I assume that will if not dropped be moved to a newer process.

    (But then I still have a DTL logic data book and SN74 book that for some still has the circuit showing all the transistor's ! )

  • Automotive parts will always have a slightly different die from commercial -- it's my understanding that it's an internal requirement for the automotive qualification process to have a die specific to that. Usually the design is identical to the commercial, but there are differences to improve reliability.

    All of our CD4k parts are unchanged since we acquired them from Harris. I wouldn't be surprised if those were targeted soon for an update.