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TIDM-BIDIR-400-12: Question about the information of needed parts for jumpers

Takumi Kimura
Prodigy 100 points
Part Number: TIDM-BIDIR-400-12
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: CONTROLSUITE, TMDSDOCK28035

Hello, Teams,

Thank you for checking and answering my questions about TIDM-BIDIR-400-12 kindly. I apologize that I don’t have enough time to check the provided technical materials, due to the short delivery time for prototyping the converter.

I’d like to ask about the needed jumpers to prototype TIDM-BIDIR-400-12.

According to the seventh page of the design guide, www.ti.com/.../tiduai7, the jumpers which need connections are indicated.

However, I assume that the information about the parts which connect or short-circuit these jumpers is not included in the BOM.

Therefore, I’d like to know the information. If it is included in the BOM, I hope you will indicate the part. If it is not included in the BOM, I hope you will provide the information about the part numbers and the needed quantities of each part to prototype the converter.

I appreciate your every support.

Best Regards,

Takumi

  • 0
    TI__Mastermind 28411 points
    Takumi Kimura said:
    However, I assume that the information about the parts which connect or short-circuit these jumpers is not included in the BOM.

    Your assumption is correct. The BOM does not have this information. The schematic for the design is the place to look. 

    Schematic: https://www.ti.com/lit/pdf/tidrhs9

  • 0 in reply to Gus Martinez
    Prodigy 100 points

    Dear Gus,

     

    Thank you for answering my questions many times. I really appreciate it.

     

    I accessed the link of the schematic. I’d like to check the details of it later.

     

    Also, I’d like to ask the below 6 additional questions.

     

    1. I’d like to get the concrete information about the socket (female) connectors, such as the manufacturer part numbers. The manufacturer part numbers of the jumpers, in other words, pin (male) headers, are shown in the BOM, for instance, TSW-150-07-L-S produced by Samtec Inc. However, that of the socket (female) connectors are not shown. I assume that the connecters are used for making the jumpers short-circuited.

    2. According to the BOM, Item No.7, TSW-150-07-L-S is applied for the references, for instance, C:JPG1, E:J-2-3. The component has 50 positions, but each reference has only 2 positions, according to the schematic and the appearance of the photograph of the converter. I think that the pin header is applied after being dividing into 25 parts which have 2 pin headers. Is it correct?

    3. I couldn’t understand that the difference of some jumpers. For instance, when it comes to J1, there are 2 kinds, E:J1 and F:J1, according to the BOM. On the other hand, for instance, according to the page 35 of the design guide,

    https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tiduai7/tiduai7.pdf?ts=1698716843871&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fe2e.ti.com%252F,

    the direction, “Power the input at J1, J2 with 390-V DC” is written, but I couldn’t recognize whether the J1 is E:J1 or F:J1. Therefore, I’d like to know the difference of the same reference components.

    4. What is E:J1 used for? This question may be related to the question No.2.

    5. Is it possible to get support to prototype this converter through TI in Japan and in Japanese.

    6. I recognize that this converter isn’t sold. Is it correct? Is it able to buy the similar product?

    7. I’d like to prototype this converter through outsourcing in Japan. I need provide technical materials, including the BOM, to the company. You know some of them are available from the website. However, when it comes to the .pdf file of the BOM, some references, for example, Item No.7, aren’t visible. Then, I’d like to share the .xlsx file of the BOM generated after installing CONTROLSUITE with the company. Is it OK?

     

    I appreciate your every support.

     

    Best Regards,

    Takumi

  • +1 in reply to Takumi Kimura
    TI__Mastermind 28411 points
    Takumi Kimura said:
    1. I’d like to get the concrete information about the socket (female) connectors, such as the manufacturer part numbers. The manufacturer part numbers of the jumpers, in other words, pin (male) headers, are shown in the BOM, for instance, TSW-150-07-L-S produced by Samtec Inc. However, that of the socket (female) connectors are not shown. I assume that the connecters are used for making the jumpers short-circuited.

    See Q2 on C:JPG1 E:J2-3 E:JPG1 etc. 

    E:J1 is a JTAG connector. The female connector would come from a debug probe.

    F:J1 is a CAN connection output. The female side would depend on how/if you plan to connect to a CAN bus.

    J18, J2-9, J1, J11-17, etc. are also 1x2 100mil headers which would need standard standard 1x2 jumpers/shunts.

    What other connectors do you need information for?

    Takumi Kimura said:
    2. According to the BOM, Item No.7, TSW-150-07-L-S is applied for the references, for instance, C:JPG1, E:J-2-3. The component has 50 positions, but each reference has only 2 positions, according to the schematic and the appearance of the photograph of the converter. I think that the pin header is applied after being dividing into 25 parts which have 2 pin headers. Is it correct?

    I think you are right about this. C:JPG1 E:J2-3 E:JPG1 etc. all clearly standard 1x2 100 mil headers, whereas TSW-150-07-L-S is a 1x50 header. To make the connection you would need a standard 1x2 shunt/jumper. There are plenty of options on Digikey.

    https://www.digikey.com/en/products/filter/shunts-jumpers/304?s=N4IgTCBcDaIFYFcC2AHApgJwAQEYAeEAugL5A

    Takumi Kimura said:

    3. I couldn’t understand that the difference of some jumpers. For instance, when it comes to J1, there are 2 kinds, E:J1 and F:J1, according to the BOM. On the other hand, for instance, according to the page 35 of the design guide,

    https://www.ti.com/lit/ug/tiduai7/tiduai7.pdf?ts=1698716843871&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fe2e.ti.com%252F,

    the direction, “Power the input at J1, J2 with 390-V DC” is written, but I couldn’t recognize whether the J1 is E:J1 or F:J1. Therefore, I’d like to know the difference of the same reference components.

    This looks like a typo. From schematics, the power comes in through terminal blocks M1 and M2.

    Terminal blocks are shown in blue on picture below.

    They are also listed on BOM.

    Takumi Kimura said:
    4. What is E:J1 used for? This question may be related to the question No.2.

    See Q1 above.

    Takumi Kimura said:
    5. Is it possible to get support to prototype this converter through TI in Japan and in Japanese.

    If you have an assigned field support engineer, then yes. Otherwise, I am not sure.

    Takumi Kimura said:
    6. I recognize that this converter isn’t sold. Is it correct? Is it able to buy the similar product?

    It is not sold. I don't know of another similar product you can purchase.

    Takumi Kimura said:
    7. I’d like to prototype this converter through outsourcing in Japan. I need provide technical materials, including the BOM, to the company. You know some of them are available from the website. However, when it comes to the .pdf file of the BOM, some references, for example, Item No.7, aren’t visible. Then, I’d like to share the .xlsx file of the BOM generated after installing CONTROLSUITE with the company. Is it OK?

    Please download and install controlSUITE. In there you will find the sources for this project, including the BOM in xls form.

    C:\ti\controlSUITE\development_kits\BI_DIRECTIONAL_DC_DC_400_12\v1_00_00_00\HWdevPkg\BOM

  • 0 in reply to Gus Martinez
    Prodigy 100 points

    Dear Gus,

     

    Thank you for replying with the details and additional information many times.

     

    I’d like to solve the problems I’m facing on, based on your answer.

     

    By the way, I’m sorry, but I have below additional questions.

     

    According to the page 75 of the User Guide, the direction “If this is the first time the board is being tested with JTAG connection, program the FTDI chip on the board by running the "program_ftdi.bat" file in the xds100v2-FT_Prog_v2.2.zip,” is written.

     

    What tool do I need to buy to connect PC and the controlcard through JTAG?

     

    When I started to read the guide, I assumed that I had to connect PC and the controlcard through USB cable, program the FTDI chip, and install the programs to the contolcard on the converter.

     

    In other words, I assume that I must prepare only USB cable and I don’t have to use any tools which have a debug probe. Is this recognition wrong?

     

    If I must get the above tool to program the FTDI chip on the board through JTAG, I hope you will tell me the information of the tool, such as the manufacturer and the manufacturer part number.

     

    Also, if you know the method to program the FTDI chip on the board by running the "program_ftdi.bat" file in the xds100v2-FT_Prog_v2.2.zip using TMDSDOCK28035, I hope you will tell me. In the first place, is it possible to do the task through TMDSDOCK28035? I have already bought TMDSDOCK28035.

     

    I appreciate that you continue to support me so kindly.

     

    Best Regards,

    Takumi

  • +1 in reply to Takumi Kimura
    TI__Mastermind 28411 points
    Takumi Kimura said:
    In other words, I assume that I must prepare only USB cable and I don’t have to use any tools which have a debug probe. Is this recognition wrong?

    First, the controlCARD will come programmed with the FTDI firmware already. You should not have to program this. Even if you do have to program it, it will all be done through USB. No additional tools needed. 

  • +1 in reply to Gus Martinez
    TI__Mastermind 28411 points

    I'm sorry, my previous answer is not correct. The JTAG emulation logic is indeed on the baseboard. In this case, it may be necessary to program the FTDI firmware. As I mentioned before, the programming can be done via USB cable, with no additional tools needed. 

  • 0 in reply to Gus Martinez
    Prodigy 100 points

    Dear Gus,

    Thank you for replying so many times.

    I got relieved to hear that I don’t have to prepare no more tools to program the controlcard, except for USB cable.

    Thank you for everything.

    Best Regards,

    Takumi