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TPS62912: Webench Error 13V to 0.85V <1A

Part Number: TPS62912
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: TPS62901, TPS629210-Q1

Hi Team,

Webench is running into an issue with TPS62912 when trying to convert from 13Vin to 0.85Vout at 0.3A & 0.5A and ambient temp of 30C. When I change it to 1A load then webench will work. 

Here is the error:

Design cannot be created!

Your preferred device does not work with the inputs you selected.

Please change your inputs or select another device.

Thank you,

TR

  • Hello Trenton,

    The problem you are running into is a minimum on-time limit which is caused by the large voltage difference between your input and output voltage. 

    The minimum on-time limit is set at 70ns. The closest I could simulate your design is 0.85Vout @ 0.8A  which gave me a duty cycle of 7.01% which at 1MHz is 70.1ns. The datasheet lists that the minimum on-time is max of 70ns and typ at 35ns. Webench uses the maximum rating to ensure the design will always work.

    Thanks,

    Joseph

  • Should I not recommend this part for 13Vin to 0.85Vout at 0.3A? 

  • Since the design with these input/output specs puts the device at this edge case I would probably not recommend it to be used under these conditions as it can't guarantee its working. What application is this needed for as there may be a better alternative? 

    Thanks,

    Joseph

  • There is some dependency in a detailed duty cycle equation on the output current; using equation 6 from slyt293 app note Understanding output voltage limitations of DC/DC buck converters. Using the worst case RDson of the FETs (95mΩ HS and 39mΩ LS), Vin 13V, Vout 0.85V, and Inductor DCR of 25mΩ I plugged in 0.3A load current and 1A current to see the impact on duty cycle. At 0.3A the duty cycle is 6.6948% and at 1A the duty cycle is 7.0612%.

    Then I used equation 7 from that same app note and plugged in for the same conditions. At 0.3A load the Vout_min is 0.889624V and at 1A load the Vout_min is 0.84208V. They do have a ferrite bead on the output to get lower noise BLM18SG331TN1D which has a DCR typ. of 70mΩ. Therefore the voltage drop would be 0.3A * 0.07 = 21mV. Even with this additional voltage drop we'll still be at 0.8686V at the point of load. This doesn't take into effect a Vin a little bit above 13V, tolerance of output accuracy, or that the load might not be consuming the full 300mA. 

    I need another device given the above. I was thinking about TPS62901/2/3 but looks like we'd be in the same boat even though the datasheet only specs the typical Ton_min. We could maybe put it into auto PSM mode and then the Fsw would scale down to ~950kHz. Do you see any issue with using TPS62901? Even though the ton_min max isn't specified in the datasheet, the fact that it has auto PSM mode would adjust for a potential higher ton_min and would scale the Fsw lower in order to still regulate to 0.85V.

  • Yeah I agree with TPS62901. It is much more flexible because it is able to vary the frequency in order to regulate the output correctly. I would recommend the 1MHz Auto PFM/PWM mode for best performance. Using the 2.5MHz mode with Auto PFM/PWM (w/ AEE) will drop the frequency even more and can cause larger output voltage ripple for the same capacitor which is why the 1MHz mode is recommended for the given input and output specs.

    Another new device that is releasing soon is TPS629210-Q1, which is very similar to TPS62901 operation.

    Thanks,

    Joseph