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UCC28600: Designing the transformer to match the circuit from WEBENCH®︎ POWER DESIGNER

Part Number: UCC28600
Other Parts Discussed in Thread: UCC28180, UCC256402, TIDA-01494

Hello community,
I need your help in designing a switching power supply. I got a schematic and BOM from Designing the transformer to match the circuit from WEBENCH® POWER DESIGNER but I have a question how to wind the transformer.

I have made the following settings:

Input:
Supply type: AC
Frequency: 50Hz
Voltage 120V-230V

Output:
48V DC 12A normally 10A
Max Ambient Temp:55°C

It spit out a circuit around the UCC28600DR. So far so good. Even the availability looks good, which is a miracle nowadays.

However, there is virtually no information about the transformer:
Ns1toNp: 758.26 m Ns2toNp: 247.07 m Lp: 20.82 µH

It is written in the Bom.

Do any of you have experience with a similar circuit? And maybe has a core he can recommend and a winding ratio?
Or is there even a transformer with suitable properties already wound?

I would be overjoyed about any help!

Best regards!

Roger

WBBOMDesignUCC28600DR.xlsx

  • Hi, Roger:

    Thanks for asking. 

    Normally the transformer is customized to different power rating. It's hard to estimate the system form factor to us. So the web designer only provide the necessary inductance and turn ratio information here. 

    The user can choose the core and check if the core and bobbin size can meet the system form factor or not. 

    The most close reference design is PMP10816. It is a 48V/200Wflyback with universal AC input. 

    As your power is 576W, it is needed bigger transformer core for this power rating. 

    Is there any special reason that you choose UCC28600 for this power? 

    Frankly speaking, the output power is 576W (48V*12A), normally it is 480W (48V/10A). Flyback topology is not suitable for this power range. It can do but it needs very big transformer since the peak current is high. According to this

    2 stage solution (PFC + LLC ) would the one candidate for this power rating. If it is okay to you, UCC28180 (PFC controller) + UCC256402 (LLC controller) might be more suitable for this power rating.  

    Thanks.

    Regards, 

    Wesley

  • Thanks for your great answer!
    I chose the UCC28600 because it was suggested to me by the tool.
    But for these circuits I have a similar problem. For the UCC28180DR I don't get any requests for a complete circuit part.
    All red components come without values or similar. Can I assume that L2 is only for signal decoupling so has a winding ratio of 1:1?
    The rest of the circuit seems pretty good. And understandable for me.


    With the UCC256402DDBR it looks there against better there is however again a transformer with very little data.
    Do I understand it correctly that you need here in principle a transformer with ratio 1:1 which has an impedance in the specified range and can withstand 12A ?
    Or is even a low current sufficient? because here the voltage is even higher or is worked with high frequency?

    I would be very happy to hear from you again
    Best regards
    Roger



  • Hi, Roger:

    For UCC28180, the L2 is used to be an EMI filter. So generally it would 1:1 ratio with high inductance to be a pi- filter with CX1 and CX2 to filter high frequency noise. Since it is hard to estimate the noise, system did not show the inductance in this moment. 

    For UCC256402, the transformer shows the Ns1 : Np = 0.25 and Ns2:Np = 0.25. So the turns ratio would Np:Ns1:Ns2 = 4:1:1. 

    And yes, the inductance and resonant capacitor are specified by 48V/12A.  Since the each user may choose different core for there system form factor, it did not show the core and turns for each winding. It is a general idea for the output rating. The calculator UCC25640X calculator would provide more detail setting based on the system requirement. 

    The refer design of TIDA-01494 is very similar to your power rating. The only different is its output is only 24V. However, it would be okay by the modification of LLC's transformer turns and LLC IC setting to meet 48V output.  You can refer TIDA-01494's PFC choke of UCC28180 design based on the power rating. 

    The another thing is, LLC controller of TIDA-01494 is previous one, UCC25630.  UCC25640X series would be our newest controller for LLC topology. For UCC25640X's schematic, you may refer the PMP22087

    I am sorry that we have no reference design to put UCC28180 and UCC25640x together. However, it should be still good reference here to you. 

    We still have lots of reference design here.  TI reference design  It should provide some idea to you. 

    Regards, 

    Wesley

  • in any case super helpful links.
    For the part around the UCC28180, for example, I found this choke from Würth 744866103.
    And the wiring of the capacitors I can take from TIDA-01494 this.

    For the UCC256402 I must then probably something in the like 750317258
    which for this PMP22087
    was developed. Something ready-made I will probably not find with these requirements.
    I put a request to Würth and am curious what comes out of it.
    Many thanks to you!
    So I will take these two circuits?

    UCC256402DDBR

    UCC28180DR

    Or is there something against it?

  • Hi, Roger:

    Yes, you can take these 2 circuits. I believe you could find some reference circuits which suits your system requests. 

    Since you may choose UCC28180 and UCC25640X for your system, I would like to close this thread because the thread's topic is UCC28600. 

    Please click "the issue solved" if you have no concern, and create a new thread when you need any assistance about UCC28180 and UCC25640x. 

    Thank you very much. 

    Regards, 

    Wesley